Shane Roach #fundie

Shane Roach #fundie christianforums.com

God is real, and therefore of course is "real by default". There are any number of perfectly good reasons why you yourself don't believe in God, all of them coincide nicely with what the Bible says about people who refuse the knowledge of the truth.

Because God is real, and because you use false assertions, basically lies, to deny His reality, and refuse to even discuss the issue in a rational way, supposing for the sake of argument that the matter is as yet unsettled, but rather insist that God, who reveals Himself to all through conscience and through the natural world, has somehow magically never revealed Himself to you personally, I am safe in my understanding. I need not open my mind or question my beleifs fully, because the default position is that God is real and that you are a liar going to hell.

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old comment by Redhunter

Please show how you arrived at this conclusion.
Many x-tians claim that atheists 'deny' god, as if they know full well he exists but are just being obstinant. In my case it has been decades of taking for granted that everyone in my life knew what they were talking about and that all would be revealed to me some day. Well it was. I woke up from my theological coma. If you have irrefutable proof of god's existance, most folks would be glad to hear it. If all you have is, 'i have faith' because someone told you so, then balls to you. You are just another person who can't handle the insignificance of your own life and mortality so you cling to an ancient story of a bi-polar deity. "I need not open my mind or question my beleifs fully" Sigh. This is why you will never be free from the ideas that imprison your reasoning and intellect.

old comment by Swede

Which gods are real? All of them? Or just Odin?

It was learning more and more about religion that caused me to become first agnostic and then atheist.

I'm perfectly happy to discuss the issue of the existence of gods, goddesses and deities. Actually, I relish the discussion! Especially in a rational way. I have a colleague who was brought up in Sweden's Bible Belt (yes, we have one) and is now an atheist, and I love discussing it with him; he's read the Bible several times and knows a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions and outright stupid things.

Sorry, no, the default position is that imaginary beings don't exist, until you have provided tangible evidence, that satisfies us (NB), of his/her/their existence.

God is a liar too, ya know. He told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and then said "forget it". He told Eva and Adam that they would die instantly if they ate from the tree of knowledge, but they didn't.

You need to question your spelling of "beliefs", dearie.

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Which god? Any of these? All of these? Please note this is a *partial* list.
Oh, and what if you're wrong? Given how many there are, what are the odds you picked the "one true god"? Tell us how you came to that conclusion, given how many there are.

A, Adad, Adapa, Adrammelech, Aeon, Agasaya, Aglibol, Ahriman, Ahura Mazda, Ahurani, Ai-ada, Al-Lat, Aja, Aka, Alalu, Al-Lat, Amm, Al-Uzza (El-'Ozza or Han-Uzzai), An, Anahita, Anath (Anat), Anatu, Anbay, Anshar, Anu, Anunitu, An-Zu, Apsu, Aqhat, Ararat, Arinna, Asherali, Ashnan, Ashtoreth, Ashur, Astarte, Atar, Athirat, Athtart, Attis, Aya, Baal (Bel), Baalat (Ba'Alat), Baau, Basamum, Beelsamin, Belit-Seri, Beruth, Borak, Broxa, Caelestis, Cassios, Lebanon, Antilebanon, and Brathy, Chaos, Chemosh, Cotys, Cybele, Daena, Daevas, Dagon, Damkina, Dazimus, Derketo, Dhat-Badan, Dilmun, Dumuzi (Du'uzu), Duttur, Ea, El, Endukugga, Enki, Enlil, Ennugi, Eriskegal, Ereshkigal (Allatu), Eshara, Eshmun, Firanak, Fravashi, Gatamdug, Genea, Genos, Gestinanna, Gula, Hadad, Hannahanna, Hatti, Hea, Hiribi, The Houri, Humban, Innana, Ishkur, Ishtar, Ithm, Jamshid or Jamshyd, Jehovah, Jesus, Kabta, Kadi, Kamrusepas, Ki (Kiki), Kingu, Kolpia, Kothar-u-Khasis, Lahar, Marduk, Mari, Meni, Merodach, Misor, Moloch, Mot, Mushdama, Mylitta, Naamah, Nabu (Nebo), Nairyosangha, Nammu, Namtaru, Nanna, Nebo, Nergal, Nidaba, Ninhursag or Nintu, Ninlil, Ninsar, Nintur, Ninurta, Pa, Qadshu, Rapithwin, Resheph (Mikal or Mekal), Rimmon, Sadarnuna, Shahar, Shalim, Shamish, Shapshu, Sheger, Sin, Siris (Sirah), Taautos, Tammuz, Tanit, Taru, Tasimmet, Telipinu, Tiamat, Tishtrya, Tsehub, Utnapishtim, Utu, Wurusemu, Yam, Yarih (Yarikh), Yima, Zaba, Zababa, Zam, Zanahary (Zanaharibe), Zarpandit, Zarathustra, Zatavu, Zazavavindrano, Ziusudra, Zu (Imdugud), Zurvan

The above list is from this site (and even this list isn't complete):

http://www.rationalresponders.com/a_big_list_of_gods_but_nowhere_near_all_of_them

Safe bet you're an atheist with respect to every other god in that list, and reject all if their "ludicrous" claims. When you understand why you dismiss all the other gods, you'll understand why I dismiss yours.

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"I need not open my mind or question my beleifs fully"

Captain Obvious is obvious. And you don't see a problem with this?

Just like Ken Ham in the debate:

Mod: What would change your mind?
Ham: Nothing.

From AIG's "Statement of Faith":
"By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record."

Talk about closed-minded. I think there is a picture of Ken next to "closed-minded" in the dictionary. And they say WE are being closed-minded!

"There are any number of perfectly good reasons why you yourself don't believe"

So your "loving, caring, and merciful god" is going to torture me in hell forever just because I don't believe in him for a perfectly good reason? How frakked-up is that?

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FSM is real, and therefore of course is "real by default". There are any number of perfectly good reasons why you yourself don't believe in the FSM, all of them coincide nicely with what the Gospel of the FSM says about people who refuse the knowledge of the truth.

Because FSM is real, and because you use false assertions, basically lies, to deny His reality, and refuse to even discuss the issue in a rational way, supposing for the sake of argument that the matter is as yet unsettled, but rather insist that FSM, who reveals Himself to all through his noodly appendage, has somehow never touched you personally, I am safe in my understanding. I need not open my mind or question my beleifs fully, because the default position is that FSM is real and that you are a liar going to hell.

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