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God is real, and therefore of course is "real by default". There are any number of perfectly good reasons why you yourself don't believe in God, all of them coincide nicely with what the Bible says about people who refuse the knowledge of the truth.

Because God is real, and because you use false assertions, basically lies, to deny His reality, and refuse to even discuss the issue in a rational way, supposing for the sake of argument that the matter is as yet unsettled, but rather insist that God, who reveals Himself to all through conscience and through the natural world, has somehow magically never revealed Himself to you personally, I am safe in my understanding. I need not open my mind or question my beleifs fully, because the default position is that God is real and that you are a liar going to hell.

Shane Roach, Christian Forums 31 Comments [8/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Please show how you arrived at this conclusion.

Many x-tians claim that atheists 'deny' god, as if they know full well he exists but are just being obstinant. In my case it has been decades of taking for granted that everyone in my life knew what they were talking about and that all would be revealed to me some day. Well it was. I woke up from my theological coma. If you have irrefutable proof of god's existance, most folks would be glad to hear it. If all you have is, 'i have faith' because someone told you so, then balls to you. You are just another person who can't handle the insignificance of your own life and mortality so you cling to an ancient story of a bi-polar deity.

\"I need not open my mind or question my beleifs fully\"

Sigh. This is why you will never be free from the ideas that imprison your reasoning and intellect.

6/29/2006 9:57:36 AM


<<< because the default position is that God is real >>>

Someone has no understanding of the burden of proof.

<<< and that you are a liar going to hell. >>>

Some just, loving, merciful God that is.

6/30/2006 4:05:10 AM


Aaaah, the \"A Sphincter says what?\" argument.

6/30/2006 4:20:12 AM


Because God is real, he must be real.


10/23/2007 4:40:59 PM

Giga Guess

So God condemns those who try and find answers for themselves to hell. Convenient...almost as though someone wanted to control the masses through fear...

10/23/2007 5:31:55 PM


wow the logic is so circular it must be inside out!

10/23/2007 5:33:37 PM

Caustic Gnostic

I am a Christian myself, and I say that the 'God' that the bible describes is the bastard miscarriage spawned from the original syzygy of Christ. He is the first eternal mistake of the higher aeons, and the first blasphemer of the true God. As evidence of that, I offer the first 'commandment'.

10/23/2007 6:03:15 PM

Jake Steel

"God is real, and therefore of course is "real by default"

10/23/2007 6:08:05 PM


So wait, God is real because God is "real by default" (Burden of proof failure), which is because God is real? WTF?

8/31/2009 9:00:09 PM


HOW and WHY is this the default posistion?

Maybe I'm misreading this, but to me this sounds like: "God's real and therefore of course the default position is that God is real. Because the default position is that God is real, God must be real."

Did I miss something?

8/31/2009 9:05:04 PM

God Hates Fundies

Please. Try to give a reasonable arguement.

11/10/2009 1:42:20 PM


Do you even listen to yourself, you titanic asshole?

11/10/2009 3:06:35 PM


Assuming God as the default state of the universe is irrational. I could say that Enki (Sumerian god of water and life) is the default state because we see the life that comes wherever water is present. His fertility is our sustenance. Can you prove or disprove that with your "rational" logic? But he revealed himself through conscience! Yeah, I think you're on a one-way trip to the underworld, disbeliever.

6/1/2010 10:01:51 AM

>> God is real, and therefore of course is "real by default".

Shane Roach is gullible, and therefore of course is "gullible by default".

At least we have evidence of Shane Roach's gullibility from this post right here, but we have yet to see undeniable evidence of this "God" he claims exists. Even so, this argument still doesn't hold water, because Shane Roach might have been quite reasonable before getting a lobotomy.

6/1/2010 2:01:39 PM

The Duelist

I am safe in my understanding that you, sir, are an ignorant, self-deluded fool. You're nothing but another Born-Again Bore.

8/7/2010 10:17:23 AM


GOD IS REAL! Real realeety real real real! Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaallly really really really real!


8/7/2010 12:22:22 PM


Please show the evidence that it is your god and not Brahman, Allah or Odin that is revealing him/it-self to all through conscience and the natural world.

There is only one reason that I don't believe in gods, or rather, why I am hesitant to believe in gods: I find no evidence for the existence of any gods, and I find no reason to believe in gods. OK, two reasons, sort of.

"refuse the knowledge of the truth"? Is there a universe where this makes sense?

8/7/2010 1:16:47 PM

The Duelist

Yes, there IS, Swede, it is called the Heavenly Realm of Lalah Land.

8/7/2010 5:39:02 PM


God is real because he is real. Nice circular logic there.

9/16/2011 5:41:10 AM


Ah, the old "he's real because he's real" excuse. Haha, man you've really convinced me. My ways of thinking were totally wrong the whole time. Man thank you…
…for being a compete dumbass that doesn't know how logic works. Give me some evidence. If this is a work of art as all Christians say, where's Thy Holy Signature?

2/13/2013 1:30:29 PM



Actually, I would call this the "Ignore the Man Behind the Curtain" argument. "God is real! He's real because I say so! Anyone who says or even THINKS otherwise is a sinner, and will burn in hell! So don't question me...erm...this fact!"

2/13/2013 3:25:40 PM


"because the default position is that God is real and that you are a liar going to hell."

No, it's not. That's just what you were told by your terrible parents who should have never been allowed to raise you like that.

2/13/2013 4:23:22 PM

I am Superman, and therefore of course am "Superman by default".

2/13/2013 5:36:45 PM

Quantum Mechanic

"God is real"

God is imaginary.


(Math joke.)

8/2/2014 12:51:35 PM


Which gods are real? All of them? Or just Odin?

It was learning more and more about religion that caused me to become first agnostic and then atheist.

I'm perfectly happy to discuss the issue of the existence of gods, goddesses and deities. Actually, I relish the discussion! Especially in a rational way. I have a colleague who was brought up in Sweden's Bible Belt (yes, we have one) and is now an atheist, and I love discussing it with him; he's read the Bible several times and knows a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions and outright stupid things.

Sorry, no, the default position is that imaginary beings don't exist, until you have provided tangible evidence, that satisfies us (NB), of his/her/their existence.

God is a liar too, ya know. He told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and then said "forget it". He told Eva and Adam that they would die instantly if they ate from the tree of knowledge, but they didn't.

You need to question your spelling of "beliefs", dearie.

8/2/2014 1:21:35 PM

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