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#522282
ozznova
well um... IT IS.
Adaptation IS evolution, fundtard.
6/1/2008 3:18:24 AM
#522284
anonymous_troy
...
Yeah, it's funny how other animals and plants never escape the tenuous categorical abilities of creationists...
6/1/2008 3:19:51 AM
#522291
Allegory for Jesus
"The book abounds with logical fallacies. One is that a change in the proportion of certain individuals within a population (e.g. bacteria resistant to antibiotics) is somehow PROOF of that population evolving into another species"
How is it a logical fallacy to assume that small scale changes can add up to large scale ones? And what magical barriers prevent one species from becoming a separate species if it has distinct DNA, distinct traits, and cannot mate with the original population? The problem is that you are expecting a level of evidence that is impossible to produce by the theory's own admission and calling that a failing.
6/1/2008 3:27:19 AM
#522295
MK
"The bacteria remain bacteria. "
In other words, "Your science is too logical and not impressive, call me when it breaks the laws of nature."
6/1/2008 3:29:32 AM
#522298
Zankou
That's because "bacteria" isn't a species, you fuckwit.
6/1/2008 3:31:35 AM
#522303
James
A list of all known species (according to fundies):
1. Viruses (disputed; may be demons in disguise).
2. Bacteria (disputed; may be demons in disguise).
3. Flora.
4. Fauna.
5. People.
6/1/2008 3:42:44 AM
#522327
Man Called True
Cue the Morbo picture.
6/1/2008 4:03:17 AM
#522341
Osiris
No it's not proof of speciation, it's proof of natural selection at work which is the mechanism that works evolution.
Proof of speciation would be genes or molecular clocks.
6/1/2008 4:16:00 AM
#522351
Mike
Because evolution only occurs when a cockroach turns into the aliens from "Alien."
6/1/2008 4:20:05 AM
#522355
aaa
Twatar goes wild!
6/1/2008 4:23:42 AM
#522366
Horsefeathers
"I won't go into all the well-known weaknesses of Darwin's theory."
Not enough straw for that particular man, eh?
"This book is a rather desperate attempt to "re-introduce" the theory to a public that is mostly skeptical of its claims."
Only the uneducated, uninterested or ignorant are "mostly skeptical" of it's claims.
"One is that a change in the proportion of certain individuals within a population (e.g. bacteria resistant to antibiotics) is somehow PROOF of that population evolving into another species."
Not directly it's not but it does lead to that conclusion. Many, many, many such changes over enough time will create something completely different than the original organism. Why that's so hard to understand astounds me.
"Yet the actual PROOF is conspicuously missing. The bacteria remain bacteria."
Not shit. Wait around a few billion years and you may see it evolve into something else. Like a large colony of bacteria or, if you're really lucky, you might see a sponge like creature. What, you thought it would evolve right from a bacteria to an elephant or something?
6/1/2008 4:34:41 AM
#522378
Lefty Link
"I won't go into all the well-known weaknesses of Darwin's theory."
Ask me any question and I know the answer. I won't tell you, but I know it.
6/1/2008 4:46:12 AM
#522384
Antichrist
Bacteria is not a species, it's a Kingdom, like animals or plants. After kingdom comes
Phylum
Class
Order
Family
Genus
Species
So as you can see, one bacteria changing into another is actually on the same level as a dog turning into an elephant. Actually dogs and elephants are the same class (mammals) so your still two levels below bacteria. Maybe it would be more like a dog turning into a crocodile. They'd still be an animal, wouldn't they.
6/1/2008 4:50:00 AM
#522419
FMG
Er... What?
1. There are more bacteria within us than there are humans on this earth.
2. They are the most successful life form.
3. The ability to gain resistance to antibiotics is the equivalent of us being able to drink cyanide without ill effect. MRSA is pretty much the equivalent of being nigh on invulnerable.
4. Bacteria can be seen evolving in endosymbiotic theory. Bacteria "evolved" into mitochondria...
6/1/2008 5:11:34 AM
#522432
Sofia.
"Bacteria" is a KINGDOM, not a species. We see new species of bacteria ALL THE TIME. Every single time you hear about a new bacterial illness spreading, it means that that species has evolved from another one.
Basically, under your logic, if a new species came forth from human beings, it still wouldn't prove evolution since "The animal is still an animal". Dipshit.
6/1/2008 5:30:03 AM
#522489
Katsuro
"...is somehow PROOF of that population evolving into another species. Yet the actual PROOF is conspicuously missing. The bacteria remain bacteria."
Feathered dinosaurs. Now shut the fuck up.
6/1/2008 6:33:31 AM
#522554
Freboy
Fundies wouldn't be convinced until we can make a bacteria re-differentiate into a man in the lab.
Funny thing is, groundbreaking as that would be it wouldn't prove evolution.
6/1/2008 7:47:46 AM
#522581
Nutz
bacteria is not a species.
6/1/2008 8:54:10 AM
#522593
Thinking Allowed
Bactirium has evolved even from a few years ago. Us humans have the anti-bacterital soaps, surfaces and what-not. The bacterium that survives all the anti-baterial assults live to pass on their genes/traits to the next generation. This is called evolution through natural selection.
6/1/2008 9:05:15 AM
#522641
anevilmeme
Willful ignorance at work.
6/1/2008 10:19:20 AM
#522668
Katz
And chow-chows and Great Danes remain dogs, but there are some noteworthy changes...
6/1/2008 11:49:00 AM
#522695
Mister Spak
Except that you're dead because antibiotics don't work any more. Aren't you glad evolution has been disproven?
6/1/2008 12:21:50 PM
#522711
Reverend Davidius
you get one or two mutations, you have a different strain/breed of the same bacteria.
you get enough mutations that the current bacteria is unrecognizable from the original, than it is a new species.
6/1/2008 12:50:27 PM
#522712
Quantum Mechanic
"I won't go into all the well-known weaknesses of Darwin's theory. "
Because you can't, moron.
6/1/2008 12:54:19 PM
#522930
Penny-Anna
Even if Darwin's theory doesn't work, that doesn't mean the Bible is right. There are other possibilities, and if you insist on a divine approach, there are thousands of creation myths.
6/1/2008 5:45:49 PM
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