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I won't go into all the well-known weaknesses of Darwin's theory. This book is a rather desperate attempt to "re-introduce" the theory to a public that is mostly skeptical of its claims. The book abounds with logical fallacies. One is that a change in the proportion of certain individuals within a population (e.g. bacteria resistant to antibiotics) is somehow PROOF of that population evolving into another species. Yet the actual PROOF is conspicuously missing. The bacteria remain bacteria.

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ozznova

well um... IT IS.

Adaptation IS evolution, fundtard.

6/1/2008 3:18:24 AM

anonymous_troy

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Yeah, it's funny how other animals and plants never escape the tenuous categorical abilities of creationists...

6/1/2008 3:19:51 AM

Allegory for Jesus

"The book abounds with logical fallacies. One is that a change in the proportion of certain individuals within a population (e.g. bacteria resistant to antibiotics) is somehow PROOF of that population evolving into another species"

How is it a logical fallacy to assume that small scale changes can add up to large scale ones? And what magical barriers prevent one species from becoming a separate species if it has distinct DNA, distinct traits, and cannot mate with the original population? The problem is that you are expecting a level of evidence that is impossible to produce by the theory's own admission and calling that a failing.

6/1/2008 3:27:19 AM

MK

"The bacteria remain bacteria. "

In other words, "Your science is too logical and not impressive, call me when it breaks the laws of nature."

6/1/2008 3:29:32 AM

Zankou

That's because "bacteria" isn't a species, you fuckwit.

6/1/2008 3:31:35 AM

James

A list of all known species (according to fundies):

1. Viruses (disputed; may be demons in disguise).
2. Bacteria (disputed; may be demons in disguise).
3. Flora.
4. Fauna.
5. People.

6/1/2008 3:42:44 AM

Man Called True

Cue the Morbo picture.

6/1/2008 4:03:17 AM

Osiris

No it's not proof of speciation, it's proof of natural selection at work which is the mechanism that works evolution.

Proof of speciation would be genes or molecular clocks.

6/1/2008 4:16:00 AM

Mike

Because evolution only occurs when a cockroach turns into the aliens from "Alien."

6/1/2008 4:20:05 AM

aaa

Twatar goes wild!

6/1/2008 4:23:42 AM

Horsefeathers

"I won't go into all the well-known weaknesses of Darwin's theory."

Not enough straw for that particular man, eh?

"This book is a rather desperate attempt to "re-introduce" the theory to a public that is mostly skeptical of its claims."

Only the uneducated, uninterested or ignorant are "mostly skeptical" of it's claims.

"One is that a change in the proportion of certain individuals within a population (e.g. bacteria resistant to antibiotics) is somehow PROOF of that population evolving into another species."

Not directly it's not but it does lead to that conclusion. Many, many, many such changes over enough time will create something completely different than the original organism. Why that's so hard to understand astounds me.

"Yet the actual PROOF is conspicuously missing. The bacteria remain bacteria."

Not shit. Wait around a few billion years and you may see it evolve into something else. Like a large colony of bacteria or, if you're really lucky, you might see a sponge like creature. What, you thought it would evolve right from a bacteria to an elephant or something?

6/1/2008 4:34:41 AM

Lefty Link

"I won't go into all the well-known weaknesses of Darwin's theory."

Ask me any question and I know the answer. I won't tell you, but I know it.

6/1/2008 4:46:12 AM

Antichrist

Bacteria is not a species, it's a Kingdom, like animals or plants. After kingdom comes

Phylum
Class
Order
Family
Genus
Species

So as you can see, one bacteria changing into another is actually on the same level as a dog turning into an elephant. Actually dogs and elephants are the same class (mammals) so your still two levels below bacteria. Maybe it would be more like a dog turning into a crocodile. They'd still be an animal, wouldn't they.

6/1/2008 4:50:00 AM

FMG

Er... What?

1. There are more bacteria within us than there are humans on this earth.

2. They are the most successful life form.

3. The ability to gain resistance to antibiotics is the equivalent of us being able to drink cyanide without ill effect. MRSA is pretty much the equivalent of being nigh on invulnerable.

4. Bacteria can be seen evolving in endosymbiotic theory. Bacteria "evolved" into mitochondria...

6/1/2008 5:11:34 AM

Sofia.

"Bacteria" is a KINGDOM, not a species. We see new species of bacteria ALL THE TIME. Every single time you hear about a new bacterial illness spreading, it means that that species has evolved from another one.

Basically, under your logic, if a new species came forth from human beings, it still wouldn't prove evolution since "The animal is still an animal". Dipshit.

6/1/2008 5:30:03 AM

Katsuro

"...is somehow PROOF of that population evolving into another species. Yet the actual PROOF is conspicuously missing. The bacteria remain bacteria."

Feathered dinosaurs. Now shut the fuck up.

6/1/2008 6:33:31 AM

Freboy

Fundies wouldn't be convinced until we can make a bacteria re-differentiate into a man in the lab.

Funny thing is, groundbreaking as that would be it wouldn't prove evolution.

6/1/2008 7:47:46 AM

Nutz

bacteria is not a species.

6/1/2008 8:54:10 AM

Thinking Allowed

Bactirium has evolved even from a few years ago. Us humans have the anti-bacterital soaps, surfaces and what-not. The bacterium that survives all the anti-baterial assults live to pass on their genes/traits to the next generation. This is called evolution through natural selection.

6/1/2008 9:05:15 AM

anevilmeme

Willful ignorance at work.

6/1/2008 10:19:20 AM

Katz

And chow-chows and Great Danes remain dogs, but there are some noteworthy changes...

6/1/2008 11:49:00 AM

Mister Spak

Except that you're dead because antibiotics don't work any more. Aren't you glad evolution has been disproven?

6/1/2008 12:21:50 PM

Reverend Davidius

you get one or two mutations, you have a different strain/breed of the same bacteria.
you get enough mutations that the current bacteria is unrecognizable from the original, than it is a new species.

6/1/2008 12:50:27 PM

Quantum Mechanic

"I won't go into all the well-known weaknesses of Darwin's theory. "

Because you can't, moron.

6/1/2008 12:54:19 PM

Penny-Anna

Even if Darwin's theory doesn't work, that doesn't mean the Bible is right. There are other possibilities, and if you insist on a divine approach, there are thousands of creation myths.

6/1/2008 5:45:49 PM
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