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Quote# 40232

They may have left out God from the Constitution, but they did not leave out Jesus, the son of God. So I think they pretty well acknowledged there is a God, father of Jesus Christ.

Now if you haven’t figured out where Jesus is mentioned in the Constitution - and in the Declaration of Independence too - just look at the bottom where they signed it:

In the year of our Lord….L - capitalized, meaning Jesus Christ.

BigIron45, Lonestartimes.com 58 Comments [6/1/2008 3:14:55 AM]
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Submitted By: bob
WTF?! || meh

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Fuck man, they use an arbitrary point in time as a reference point. Even completely secular governments do that.

6/1/2008 3:16:46 AM


Or it could just be a translation of "Anno Domini," which is what A.D. means.

We should all go back to dating ab urbe condita (A.U.C., from the founding of the city - the city of Rome) or from the first Greek Olympiad nearly three thousand years ago. At least it would save us this bullshit.

6/1/2008 3:17:03 AM


Yes, it means that it uses the calendar starting from the alleged birth of Jesus Christ, Anno Domini, A.D.

It's not a statement of support, its just formal language.

6/1/2008 3:17:22 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Excellent. Argumentum ad Gregorian Calendar. Truly a low point in the history of logic.

6/1/2008 3:18:08 AM


I want to die. Seriously. Someone fucking kill me. I don't want to live in a world with people like this.

6/1/2008 3:21:21 AM


Jesus was born circa 5 or 6, AD or BC, I forget which.

So the real question is, who is the Lord we're all worshipping and why did Jesus steal everything from him?

6/1/2008 3:21:24 AM


*kills Zankou*

I think we should simple time all calendars from a well-known birthdate of a historically important figure.

Such as Linus Torvalds.

6/1/2008 3:22:15 AM


Could just as easily be a Satanic reference. They were all masons you know. Satanists refer to Satan as "Lord" as well.

6/1/2008 3:28:35 AM


does this mean someone acknowledges there is a god every time they use a calendar?

6/1/2008 3:29:25 AM


The very fact that we use the gregorian calendar is another reason I hate this stupid world.

Fuckin' Ctahlic Church and their widespread influence.

Do these crazy fundies know that the Gregorian Calandar was invented by one of them "un-Christian" Catholics?

6/1/2008 3:35:28 AM


Yes. From that capitalised 'L' can be inferred that the writers of the constitution meant for Christianity to be the state religion.

In a similar way, I can infer from your capitalisation of the 'C' in constitution that you enjoy it when your wife dons a strap-on, and also that you hate bacon.

Also; clearly we should date everything with reference to the posix epoch.

6/1/2008 3:37:56 AM


Hrm. Seems to me that "lord" is a title, not a name.

Kinda like "christ" and "god".

Try reading the rest of the Constitution, and then show me where it specifies christianity as the state religion, or the source of anything in the document.

Then go look at the pagan civilizations that existed in Germanic and Norse areas of Europe (including England, which might have a lot to do with it) and the pre-empire Roman and Greek regions.

Once you have done this, let me know which civilizations influnced the Constitution more. The pagans, or the christians?

(As for the Decleration of Independance, it has no standing in the law of the United States. It was a specific list of issues the rebels had with the empire.)

6/1/2008 3:47:28 AM



Yes back then it was as common to say "Year of Our Lord 1799" as it is today to say 5/31/08.

6/1/2008 4:14:45 AM


What a big load of horse shit!

6/1/2008 4:15:29 AM


Uh, ok. Sure. Convinced me.

6/1/2008 4:16:58 AM


This is just stupid.

6/1/2008 4:17:25 AM


Because it's not like every legal document of that era is dated that way. Oh wait, yes they were.

6/1/2008 4:36:13 AM


If BigIron45 ever realizes they're only using an approximation of Jesus' birthday as a way of keeping track of time, he's going to have one hell of a hissy fit about our calendars taking the Lord's name in vain.

6/1/2008 4:52:03 AM


Well, I'm convinced.

I was worried you might resort to clutching at straws.

6/1/2008 5:01:44 AM


If they were "good christians" why did they not "render unto caesar".

Oh right!

6/1/2008 5:07:32 AM


For a second there, I thought he was going to say Jesus signed the Constitution.

6/1/2008 5:11:08 AM


In the year of our Lord….L - capitalized, meaning Jesus Christ.

Yeah....see, "the year of our Lord" is the English translation of the Latin initials A.D.--Anno Domini. How do you find time to post in a forum when you're so occupied with grasping at straws?

When I scream "Jesus F***ing Christ!!" in anger does that indicate a belief in the Son of a bitch! God on my part?

6/1/2008 5:52:51 AM


Clasping at straws now, are we.

6/1/2008 7:48:18 AM


The signers we Deists, not Christians. Lord means God, not Jesus you nitwit. The "Year of our Lord" is the longhand version of A.D.

But being an uneducated fundie, you wouldn't have learned that.

6/1/2008 8:58:36 AM


I hope you aren't hanging onto the end of that extremely tenuous argument.

6/1/2008 9:08:13 AM
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