The idea that everyone is created equal is a Judeo-Christian teaching. Yet it is the foundation for the “religious tolerance” movement that tries to tolerate all religions but Christianity. It will probably take a major crisis before people realize that “religious tolerance” is knocking the very legs out from under the table on which their belief system is based.
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The Judeo-Christian faith doesn´t state that everyone is created equal.
There are also lots of passages in the old testament that make clear, that Israelites (gods chosen people) and people from other nations have to be treated unequal (with for example a male israeli slave only having to serve for 6 years, whereas a male slave of another nation becomes permanent inheritable possession of the family that bought him)
Right. The same teaching that say Jews are God's Chosen People and that those who don't agree with God will get sent to eternal torture?
Those are the basis of all men being created equal? i think not.
Who, exactly, has been intolerant of Christianity in countries with free religion (excepting a few warlike Muslims)? Whoever it was, they're obviously giving us a bad name.
The idea that everyone is created equal is a Judeo-Christian teaching.
No it's not. It's an idea born in the Enlightenment which was used as a basis for America's struggle for independence.
Yet it is the foundation for the “religious tolerance” movement that tries to tolerate all religions but Christianity.
No it's not. It's the foundation of the principle that all men (all members of the race of Man i.e. Humans) are viewed and treated equally under the law.
It will probably take a major crisis before people realize that “religious tolerance” is knocking the very legs out from under the table on which their belief system is based.
"Religious tolerance" is the only thing in this country that prevents you and people like you from being chased down a street by pitchfork-carrying villagers.
Go take a hike with your stupid notion that tolerance is something directly linked with christianity.
Go tell that to the Cathars, or the Hussites, or the Huguenotes, or the Arminians, or the Anabaptists ...
They have all two things in common:
Christian tolerance my ass!!
Pete, in the first posting, has hit the nail on the head. Robert Staddon has got it all badly wrong.
Even Rome tolerated foreign religions, making extraordinary concessions to the monotheistic Jews. Christians came to grief because they would not try to accommodate with the needs of the State. If the Jews could achieve this, there had to something provocative going on to make Christians appear as the 'enemy within'.
As to religious tolerance, Christians of all denominations have not been particularly noted for it. It hardle behoves Robert Staddon to claim it for Christianity, in the circumstances. Yet all tings considered, in western society Christianity receives a lot more toleration that it is prepared to accord to others... Phelps, Hagee, Robertson, etc. They are as tolerant as the Ayatollahs in Iran.
As to the last sencence of the submission, I am utterly at a loss to make any sense of it.
Quit appropriating our tradition, there is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian!" Just because you use similar documents as us doesn't mean you are the same thing. If we were, why the hell did you lock us away in ghettos and sthetls?
"The idea that everyone is created equal is a secular teaching. Yet the fundies claim the credit for it, then won't tolerate any religions but their own extremeist cult. It will probably take a major crisis before fundies realize that the intolerance they champion is knocking the very legs out from under the society in which their belief system is allowed to exist. "
Fixed.
Please, give me examples of intolerance of christians? Is it because you can't have church's? Television shows? Raise money? Preach to anyone any time you want?
Seriously, show me verifiable examples of christians being treated with intolerance. I really, really, really want to know.
He's basically saying "the idea that everyone is created equal is a Judeo-Christian teaching, but we don't actually believe it."
He just says "everyone is created equal" because it makes him sound good.
He thinks Christians are being discriminated against because the law won't let him discriminate against others.
If you're saying that your Christianity is intolerant, I agree.
Equality is a Humanist concept, BTW, not Judeo-Christian.
Quit appropriating our tradition, there is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian!"
The "Judeo" in Judeo-Christian just means "We're Christian, but after the Holocaust we want to make damn sure it looks like we don't hate them Jews."
tmr
Crusades
And that's only for starters. In fact, seeing that you could not even think of even one of those makes me wonder if are teminally stupid, or being provocative.
Where, exactly, does Judeo-Christian teaching teach that all people are equal (in any senses beyond sinnerocity, saveability, and all having a "soul")? And the only reason you think that Christianity is not "tolerated", is because it is not treated with the same special privileges that is so used to.
The idea that everyone is created equal is a Judeo-Christian teaching
You haven't read your bible have you.
Should I continue?
"The idea that everyone is created equal is a Judeo-Christian teaching."
To quote one of my favorite webcomics:
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU FOOL!!"
The funny thing is that they are correct in that there de facto existed a group of people within judaism and later christianity, who were tolerant and more or less saw all people as being created equal.
They also had a view of Yeshua, YHWH and the bible/torah that was radically different from the one in current christian denominations (and IMHO much more sane, especially if compared to christian fundamentalism)
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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