Robert Byers #fundie

Robert Byers #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

First Raven might not be our raven. Dove likewise. These are words being used for some kind of animals but who do they really mean.
Kinds would of been very few. For example I suspect bears and dogs are the same kind and more then this. Perhaps elephants and tapirs are the same kind. Certainly marsupials are the same kind as their counterpoints in placentals.
Perhaps triceritops dinos are just rhinos.
the classification of the last few hundred years has been incompetent.
First we nmeed to settle the actual divisions of the living creatures and fossil ones before figuring out what was on the ark.

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old comment by Dr. Gus

Do you actually believe there was a ship built with sticks by some old goat herder and his family that could accommodate a pair of EVERY living species? Do you have any idea of the size that thing would need to have? What about all the food those animals would need to survive for until that magical mythical rain stopped? According to some calculations by my old genetics professor back at the uni (sorry, he loved to ridicule bible fairy tales)the ship would have needed, if I remember correctly, to be like 4 times the size of the titanic PLUS another one 10 times larger for all the food and supplies.
So, are you suggesting an old man and his family built the biggest ships human history has known for that? Get real!

Also are you suggesting that that Noah fellow actually loaded pairs of DINOSAURS and early marupials on the ship? even if they predated him for several thousand years and some for MILLIONS of years?? Come on, stop trying to rationalize a fairy tale, it can't be done!

old comment by FMG

EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! AND WE KNOW WHAT THE DIVISIONS ARE.

Hm... Although this is in my favour... We are doing this Saga Style!

On the early morning of the 7th of june, in the 2008th year of our lord, the Full Metal Geneticist worked until the early hours of the morn. His windows lay open such that a breeze may enter his room. Little did he know the peril lurking outside his window. His tomes provided ample distraction while Five Tigers crept in via his window. Seeing them he rose to his weapons, but it was to naught, no sword or gun was in grasp. Only mere newspaper. But the Full Metal Geneticist was mighty. Distracted by the light. The Tigers lay unaware of the peril that awaited them and a flurry of blows initiated mortal combat. Only one would stand at the end of it. By the end of the night five tigers lay slain about the room. However the victory dance of the FMG was cut short. While he did do battle another foe had sneaked in. But this was no ordinary foe... This was a Tyrannosaurus Rex! But it fell just as easily as the tigers... Closing his window... The FMG retired to his bed for a good night sleep.

(This is what happens when you stay idiotic things like Ravens are not our ravens and Doves are not our doves. Because killing five moths and a daddy long leg with a rolled up newspaper is less impressive than singlehandedly dropping the czech tiger population by five tigers and slaying a freaking dinosaur with a copy of the Guardian)

old comment by pete

Dogs and Bears are not the same "kind". Fail#1 Elephants and tapirs are not the same "kind". Fail #2 Certainly no "kind" of marsupial is even close to any "kind" of placental. Fail #3 Triceratops was a "dino". That means it shared traits of reptiles and birds like other "dinos". It may, or may not, have been warm blooded and it laid eggs. There is no effing way a triceratops, or any other "dino", evolved into a "rhino" or any other effing mammal. Fail #7 (NOTE: Bob receives extra fails when he's so stupid he actually makes me angry he was ever taught the existence of language.) "The classification of the last few hundred years" is probably the most comprehensive continuous record of anything in the human experience. It really started with the ancient Greeks and has operated under the same system for "a few hundred years". And, unlike religious writings, "the classification" you so casually dismiss has been constantly updated, expanded, and corrected by thousands of wise people who have devoted their entire lives to making"the classification" as accurate as human research can make it. Fail#12 Actual divisions of the living creatures and the fossil ones is amazingly complete. While there are unknown creatures and odd-balls, most identified fossils are rigorously classified according to their relationship to other creatures. It's only idiot fundies who insist we disregard all these transitional forms. Yes, the same transitional forms fundies insist we haven't found. Fail #19 You can identify every atom of matter in the universe and it's position throughout time and what kind of creature it may have been part of and what that creature ate on Tuesdays and it would be pointless to discuss what "kinds" were on the Ark because there was no effing Ark! Fail #25 (NOTE 2: The judge reserves the right to make arbitrary judgments. So there!)

old comment by Horsefeathers

"These are words being used for some kind of animals but who do they really mean."

Personally, my first thought when trying to read anything by Byers is: "These are words being used for some kind of communication, but who do they really mean."

Look, stop butchering the language if you expect people to know what the holy hell you're talking about. Granted, this was more coherent than your typical twaddle but still...

"Kinds would of been very few."

Would have--not would of. When said in speech it's pronounced "would of" due to the contraction of "would" and "have", also known as "would've." Sheesh. Sorry, that just really bugs me.

"For example I suspect bears and dogs are the same kind and more then this."

If by "kind" you mean mammal then, yes. I suspect that creationist "kinds" don't go much beyond the typical three year old and their categorization of the world. In that case they're the same "kind" because they both have hair and walk on four legs.

I haven't a clue what the fuck you mean by "and more then[sic] this" so I'm not even going to try.

"Perhaps elephants and tapirs are the same kind."

Perhaps a bag of hair and your brains are the same kind.

"Certainly marsupials are the same kind as their counterpoints in placentals."

People have told you innumerable fucking times that marsupials are quite different than their "counterpoints" in placentals. You ignore everyone every single time. Open a fucking book. Hell, go to a zoo and talk to the marsupial keeper and they'll list all of the biological differences for you.

"Perhaps triceritops dinos are just rhinos."

Yeah, except for one being a dinosaur and extinct and the other not being either.

"the classification of the last few hundred years has been incompetent."

Yeah, you're "oooh... those look superficially alike so they're the same kind--except when they're not" is an ever so much better classification system.

"First we nmeed to settle the actual divisions of the living creatures and fossil ones before figuring out what was on the ark."

There was no ark you dolt.

old comment by Kuno

First Raven might not be our raven. Dove likewise. These are words being used for some kind of animals but who do they really mean.

And maybe water didn’t really mean water, and maybe flood really meant drought back then. And left was right and up was down. If you need to redefine words to get your “theory” to work, it’s maybe time to scrap the “theory”

Kinds would of been very few. For example I suspect bears and dogs are the same kind and more then this. Perhaps elephants and tapirs are the same kind. Certainly marsupials are the same kind as their counterpoints in placentals.
Perhaps triceritops dinos are just rhinos.

If you use such superficial criteria, wouldn’t the great apes be the same kind as us humans?

old comment by Swede

There might be as many as 6-10 million species just of insects, silly, many of them eat wood if getting the chance. No, they can't all be the same kind. A woodlouse is pretty different from a crane fly. If insects are one kind, then mammals are one kind, fungi are one kind and bacteria are one kind. Then there are five or six different kinds (depending on which definition of Kingdom you want to use), and they could easily fit into the ark. However, for this to work, you must accept that evolution occurs. Regardless, the five kinds would not have had time to evolve back into millions of different species in just 4000 years.

First, you need to settle with yourself that the Ark story is just that: a story, and it was meant to be taken figuratively.

Robert Byers #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

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