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Originally Posted by Matthew71
I find my faith getting a bit shaky these days, and it worries me. One of the things that has been bothering me is the people who call Christianity a "death cult". What upsets me is that some of what they say actually makes sense to me...

HeIsEnough replies:
And the world is dead to God.

Love nothing in this world, because it hates those who belong to God.

He gave us the power to withstand their assaults, and to not take their offenses to heart.

They are dying where stand, speak in complete ignorance of their sick heart, so it is natural to expect they will say all sorts of things; don't be offended, don't take your cues from the world.

Read the scriptures, and all these questions will be answered for you. Literally.

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old comment by Waiting for God

Good for you Matthew, we are endowled with sense and reason, would be shame not to use them.

It's right to question something which claims to offer 'salvation' to it's followers and implies that they will enjoy a happier life if they 'submit' to God's will.

Are you as a Christian, happy? Do those around you act in a better fashion than non-believers? Is there an over-whelming attitude of caring and tolerance, forgiveness and compassion within the Christian community around you? Are the Christians you know better people than the non-believers that you know?

If the answer to any of these questions is no then it is right to ask yourself whether you are right - not neccessarily to believe in God - to follow the God that you do or right to submit to others telling you what you should believe and how you should act.

Also, look at 'HeIsEnough's' reply to your statement. He says to love nothing in this world, that non-believers are 'dying where they stand', he calls us 'sick' and 'ignorant' and then tells you to read scriptures, which will answer your questions. If you do read scriptures you will realise that all that God says is 'obey me or suffer eternal torment' and then proceeds to contradict himself to the point of making his 'advice' totally obscured.

So, Matthew, is HeIsEnough right? Is he enough?

old comment by Delmania

"And the world is dead to God."

This is an utter twisting of Jesus's message and story. If the world was dead to God, there would be no Resurrection story or Good News. Additionally, those who follow Christ are to live in the world, but not be of it. That means while you do not necessarily value the same things others do, it does not mean you just write off the world. You're supposed to be a part of it, living your life the way the gospels portrayed Jesus.

"Love nothing in this world, because it hates those who belong to God."

1 Cor 13:13:
"But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love."

"He gave us the power to withstand their assaults, and to not take their offenses to heart."

That doesn't mean what you think it means.

"They are dying where stand, speak in complete ignorance of their sick heart, so it is natural to expect they will say all sorts of things; don't be offended, don't take your cues from the world"

Yes, a wonderful tactic. Those who disagree with whatever beliefs you have are sick, depraved, and of the world, ergo you shouldn't pay them any mind. Aren't we who claim to be Christian to look for God's message in everything?

old comment by Horsefeathers

"I find my faith getting a bit shaky these days, and it worries me. One of the things that has been bothering me is the people who call Christianity a "death cult". What upsets me is that some of what they say actually makes sense to me..."

Yeah, well, if the shoe fits...

"And the world is dead to God."

Then he should move on and build another world. Hm... maybe that's why we don't see all the miracles and personal conversations like in the OT; god got tired of fucking with a bunch of ignorant inbred hicks and decided to start over somewhere else.

"He gave us the power to withstand their assaults, and to not take their offenses to heart."

By ignoring the points made just as you ignore reality, no doubt.

"They are dying where stand, speak in complete ignorance of their sick heart, so it is natural to expect they will say all sorts of things; don't be offended, don't take your cues from the world."

Yeah, yeah. Two thousand years and you guys can't come up with something better than this bullshit? It's like you don't even try.

"Read the scriptures, and all these questions will be answered for you. Literally."

Riiiight.

old comment by Beeblebrox

Well, more specifically Christianity is not a death cult.

Not to pick on you, Nutz, but Christianity is a death cult. The central feature of Christianity is a brutal public torture session followed by a Human sacrifice. The communion ceremony is an act of symbolic cannabalism. The most common metaphor for being forgiven for one's sins is "washed in the blood of the lamb/Christ".

Other mentions of death and blood are:

The wages of sin is death.
Die to the "old man" (non-Christian self) in order to become truly Christ-like.
Fox's Book of Martyrs (a book highly regarded by fundies which lists dozens of martyrs for the faith and describes their torture and murder in graphic, almost medical, detail)

old comment by Brian X

I really don't get it. If creationism is true, why doesn't it occur to these people that being so focused on the next life is an utter insult to the creator of this life?

I'd love to see a closet case being interrogated:

God: Did you avoid sexual temptation all your life?
Dead guy: I admit, it was tough, but I never once gave into my desire to sleep with men.
God: *facepalm* You know, when you were 25, you met your soulmate and drove him away with a Chick tract. WTF is the matter with you people? Why the hell are you all so obsessed with coming here when I gave you such a beautiful world?
Dead guy: But we were supposed to serve you always...
God: Oy vey. Sometimes I wonder whether any of you Christians really appreciate what I gave you. I hope you've never been to Norway. There was a Magrathean architect who did some wonderful work on the fjords and I really wouldn't want to hear his reaction to some of this head-in-the-cloud bullshit I keep hearing from you born-agains...

old comment by FMG

It is a death cult. Life is wonderful for the most part. Instead of enjoying it most christians seem to want to finish it as quickly as possible.

Its the "suffering" that gets me. The people who bitch about suffering of christians are usually talking about christians who are "not" suffering. AKA the ones who are rich and in the US. The ones who complain about "taxes" and so on.

You rarely hear about them saying "Oh my, those poor christians in the phillipines having to undergo backstreet abortions because their religiously fanatic government has banned abortions while the poor in their society crumble and live in abject squalor because they can't feed all their children". You usually hear them go "Oh those suffering Burmese, lets go there and teach them about the bible!"

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