I attend a large (2,500) evangelical church in San Diego that is already semi-underground - http://www.mvcf.com/ .
We lost our facility 4 years ago and have been meeting in hotels, parks, and beaches. City/County officials refuse to grant us the permitting required to buy or build a new one. We get regular death threats from homosexual radicals and others who hate Christians....
Persecution is coming....
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"City/County officials refuse to grant us the permitting required to buy or build a new one."
Try paying the fee with real money. Telling them that Gawd will bless them for it just isn't going to cut it.
"We get regular death threats from homosexual radicals and others who hate Christians...."
Did you by chance bring that on yourself by telling everyone outside your little clique that they're going to hell?
"meeting in hotels, parks, and beaches."
You could catch the Ghey in those places. I would just stay home if I were you.
Pretty fancy website for being underground, or "semi-underground," whatever that means.
I'm enjoying their section on "Religion & Beliefs" where they have articles on other religions, including atheism. I'm going to take a wild guess that these are biased?
"We get regular death threats from homosexual radicals and others who hate Christians.... "
Nah, it has to be the gay agenda or some other nonsense going against you.
Yes, I've seen the persecution too !
This morning a truck stopped in front of my Christian neighbours's house and they were all dragged out ....
They say that they are being put to work somewhere where they will be happy, someone mentioned Poland ...
Reality check
Did this happen to one of your friends ?
Did this happen to a friend of your friends ?
Is the answer to above questions No ?
ok .... SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT PERSECUTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!
We lost our facility 4 years ago and have been meeting in hotels, parks, and beaches.
Well that's careless :), but like Philbert McAdamia said, you don't need a church.
Do what Jesus would have done and go preach on the mountainside! The mountains would probably appreciate it and it would give the rest of us a break too.
I smell a kind of thick, peaty bovine fecal matter in great quantities. Where, oh where does this fowl stench emerge from?
Wait, your church wants to build something that probably violates several zoning laws, the sheer size of which probably makes it unwelcome in most neighborhoods, and you think it's because of what the church preaches?
I hate it when fundies claim they're being persecuted when they're asked to obey the same laws everyone else does.
@Maleficent - I read that section of their website too. I am astounded at the stupid. Seriously. The self promotion and arrogance of fundies like this is beyond comprehension sometimes.
Permits are part of standard procedure for any group or individual who wants to operate any kind of business in any location. And, make no mistake about it, church's are big business. Permits are requirements for buildings, along with insurance, inspections, being up to code, and doing things by the book. Just because you people think you're special, the city of San Diego does not have to agree. You are to play by the rules just like every other business that wants to occupy a building. Period. End of story.
Your fear of homosexuals is fucking hilarious. Rather than take responsibility for anything or yourselves, you blame it all on the damn homosexuals.
Well, let me say this. If the homosexuals are driving you underground, I'm all for the idea of recruitment. By your way of thinking, the more homosexuals, the fewer fundie church's. And, to me, that would be an awesome thing.
well, considering they have what I estimate to be a $15,000 website (ballparking it -- could be provided by one of the congregation) I'd have to say you're full of shit on the 'semi-underground' aspect at least, especially when coupled with the 2,500 member congregation, but I suppose in a large city that might not be as much as I'm making it out to be.
You probably lost your facilities due to hate speach and crime. I wouldn't put it past these or any evangelicals to be of the Hovind school of economics.
City/County officials refuse to grant us the permitting required to buy or build a new one.
I have ten bucks that says they're trying to get a permit for some Megachurch, and trying to zone it on some Primo territory, as well.
Going underground means Death Cult usually.
Maybe just not recognized as a legit religion.maybe your leaders are too lazy to fill out the paperwork or answer questions about your organization.
Maybe stocking up on Koolaid? Hope so
Oh sure it's coming. You'll all be taken out into the arena for the lions and tigers to eat, except for the few who are mistakenly saved by Russell Crowe. But you will enjoy all of this because you will be persecuted for your faith, which is what you really want, isn't it?
Did you ever think that your church might be under attack by homosexuals because it is the home church of that despicable liar and gay basher, James Hartline? He is a Christian in the Hitler-Phelps mold, with intense hatred for gays(he is a former meth freak and gay dying of aids who blames everyone but himself for his problems), porn, and anyone who disagrees with him, who believes that any lie he tells "in the name of the Lord" is justified and anyone who disagrees with his narrow self-righteous views cannot be a true Christian. You associate with this hateful creep who persecutes people that he disagrees with and then have the damn gall to accuse others of persecution? Hypocrite!
2,500 people skulking around, kind of hard to miss. Anyway, according to your own website you always meet at the four points Sheraton, that's not exactly hiding. Very nice hotel BTW.
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/fourpoints/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=671
BTW, you have radio shows, TV shows, etc, etc, etc. I think your preacher would just rather buy another Cadillac rather than buy a new building.
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Do underground or semi-underground groups (whatever that means) advertise their existence, the number of members and the city they are located in on the Internet? "Hey everyone, we're a persecuted group! If you're in the San Diego area, come join us! Just don't bring the FBI." I suspect that you have no idea what the term "underground" really means. Furthermore, if you are so careless with your information, clearly persecution is not a real concern of yours.
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