My 10 year old daughter and I have been discussing how demons attack us spiritually and how they can "encourage" bad behaviour sometimes. She was recently saved and baptized.
Anyway, I have been telling her when she is scared or having problems that seem to make her feel like she is being spiritually attacked to say "demons get away from me". I've told her that they have to leave if she tells them to.
Anyway, she wants to know if there is any scripture to back that up. Does it say anywhere that we can rebuke demons and they have to leave? I feel like it's there somewhere, but I'm not finding it.
Any help please?
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Anyway, she wants to know if there is any scripture to back that up. Does it say anywhere that we can rebuke demons and they have to leave?
Maybe you should've thought of that before you went shooting your mouth off.
Does it say anywhere that we can rebuke demons and they have to leave? I feel like it's there somewhere, but I'm not finding it.
Player's Handbook, 3.5 Edition : Classes : Cleric, p. 33.
This explains the basics of turning and rebuking, but deals with Undead. Demons are more obscure, Knights of the Chalice can 'censure' demons, which is based on similar rules. (Defenders of the Faith : Prestige Classes : Knight of the Chalice, p.64.)
4th edition so far has nothing about rebuking demons as far as I've seen, but it does still have the ability to turn undead. Player's Handbook, 4th Edition : Character Classes : Cleric (Cleric Powers), p.62.
Glad I could help.
Well good on the good kid for wanting to see something out of the Bible before she accepts it- we're got a little sceptic in the making.
But this just pisses me off:
how demons attack us spiritually and how they can "encourage" bad behaviour sometimes."
The words "The demons made me do it" should not be uttered by anybody aged ten.
Sounds like your daughter is finding a nice way to get out of being punished when she misbehaves.
"No, Mommy! It was the demons! The demons made me do it! Waaaaahhh!"
"There, there, sweetie. it's ok."
The brainwashing party invents a problem and then offers a solution to the helpless individual, a solution which will gradually draw them into the group as they depend on it more and more to 'solve' the problem, which either doesn't exist or necessitates a completely different solution in reality.
"Mommy, there's a monster in my closet!"
"No, dear, that's just a demon. Did you brush your teeth?"
10yr old daughter: "Mommy? What are demons?"
Fundie Mom: "Demons are Satan's evil angels who are becoming more and more present now that we're living in the End Times. They encourage bad behavior."
Daughter: "What sort of bad behavior?"
Fundie Mom: "Well, you know those evil sodomites who live down the street? You know those women who go to the abortion mills to have their babies murdered? You know the people in Hollywood who make those bad, perverted TV shows that persecute Christians like us or those deceived Catholics who pray to Mary? That is the sort of bad behavior demons cause."
Daughter: "Mommy? Do the demons make me want to read Seventeen Magazine with my friends at school?"
Mom: "Of course! No true Christian girl would ever want to read that pro-sodomite, pro-abortion, anti-modesty magazine! You have to rebuke those demons!"
Daughter: "How do I do that, Mommy? I don't want the demons to take over my body!"
Mom: "You tell them to get away from you."
Daughter: "Does the Bible say that will work?"
Mom: Long pause
Is it just me, or is the fact that *ALL* the boards on Rapture Ready, including the bloody /Recipes/ board, are locked a little disturbing?
Reminds me of the wierd-ass "lock-ins" Christian groups would do at my Highschool on the occasional weekend: (main floor) windows papered up, all entrances locked. Creepy shit. I always wondered if the people I sort of knew who were involved in those realized what that looked like for an outsider.
As usual with these fundies, first they make a (often moral) statement
Saying "The demons made me do it" works fine on mummy.
When she tells a court of law that "The demons made me do it", she'll end up in a rubber cell medicated up to the eyeballs.
It's not hard to find. James 4:7 Subject yourselves, therefore, to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from YOU."
It doesn't work of course, since there is no Devil,,,,but it's there. Learn your own book, please.
Maybe you should spend a little more effort on teaching this kid to control her feelings and to self-enforce positive behavior. Telling her that demons encourage bad behavior just gives her an excuse when she wants to pull some out-of-line stunt. Failing that, a course of therapy might do her a world of good.
Am I the only one that finds the arrogance posed by whole demon thing to be amusing?
They are masters of lies and deceit...but every fundie is far too smart to fall for their tricks.
They are more powerful than any human, able to bend them completely to their own whims...but a fundie tells 'em to fuck off, and they're running scared. Seriously!
My 10 year old daughter and I have been discussing how demons attack us spiritually and how they can "encourage" bad behaviour sometimes. She was recently saved and baptized.
- Don't you mean baptized and saved? She wasn't Christian until she was baptized. And presumably she was saved from drowning when being baptized.
Anyway, I have been telling her when she is scared or having problems that seem to make her feel like she is being spiritually attacked to say "demons get away from me". I've told her that they have to leave if she tells them to.
- A good way of scaring a kid. There are no demons, except the ones you have created in her mind. Innocence is fled.
- Now see what you've done! You've invented demons and you can't get rid of them. Wait until they start saying 'BOOOOOO!' in the dark.
But there are passages that may give comfort to the child. Study your Bible. Don't expect me to do it for you.
It's amazing that a bunch of atheists could find the quotes within a minute, but these people can't.
Can anyone else see the page? I got an error.
Fanatic Templar: You get 1,000 experience points, 10,000 (virtual) gold pieces, and a rubber duckie for that one! Nice work!
Hey, guys, don't forget the spell Protection From Evil. It can't expel a possessing demon, but it can prevent them from possessing someone in the first place. And it's a 1st-level spell! Any cleric, wizard, and sorcerer can cast it.
The Book of Vile Darkness (the first "Mature-Reader" book published for D&D) has a spell that I really like: Impotent Possessor. It locks a possessing entity inside its host so that it cannot leave. Then, you just kill the host and it perishes, too!
"Get thee from me, demon, or I will kick thee in the jewels so hard that you will choke upon them."
Book of Admonishments , 14:24
Yes, there is Scripture that backs it up, you're just not finding it. In the most obvious place you'd expect it to be.
Look harder, woman. -_-"
@ Xotan: You've got it wrong. First you are saved, then you are baptized. Non-baptized Christians are still Christians. I don't know where you got your information.
"The words "The demons made me do it" should not be uttered by anybody aged ten. "
of course they should. "But mama I didnt mean to break the *fill in here* a demon made me do it"
try here http://www.openbible.info/topics/casting_out_demons for bible verses.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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