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We know enough about the nature of both the earth and the sun to eliminate as hypothetical and irrational the idea that the earth should stop spinning on its axis or orbiting the sun tonight.

Problem is, you have exactly zero foundation for assuming that the ‘nature’ of the earth and sun will not change 5 seconds from now.

If I held any doubt about my consideration that the sun will rise tomorrow morning - if I considered an alternative like the sun transforming into a penguin overnight - I might dedicate some thought to the alternatives.

Problem is, you borrow your confidence from my worldview, as you have zero foundation for it in yours.

Sye TenB, Comfort Food: The Soap Box -- Ray Comfort’s Blog 22 Comments [6/13/2008 6:30:11 AM]
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Qwerthy

Oh boy! I get to copy my own comment from the last Sye TenB post:

Sye TenB is trying to show that the problem of induction is "solved" by appealing to God.

The only problem is, like every other problem that positing God supposedly "solves", it doesn't really solve anything. It just appeals to the brute fact argument "Goddidit" as the supposed answer.

P.S. I like this quote from wiktionary referencing the term "Godditit", so I thought I'd add it here:

"It explains everything, but predicts nothing, and is therefore is a totally content-free statement."



6/13/2008 7:31:12 AM

Amos

This argument does have one very strong appeal: an uncontested "magic man done it" would make any tough philosophy course much easier to pass.

But then, an uncontested anything would make it pointless...

6/13/2008 7:48:14 AM

agentCDE

Oh yeah, well, your god is going to turn into a dodo in two seconds! Therefore I'm right!

6/13/2008 7:55:51 AM

Qwerthy

@Amos

I despair of people so lacking in intellectual curiosity that they are sated by "magic man done it" as the stock answer to any perplexing mystery of life.

I couldn't live as a fundy. To have nothing be truly mysterious would be boring in the extreme. Most fundys couldn't imagine this, but I'm happy with the fact that I'll die a lone spec in a vast and mysterious universe about which I have many questions and almost no certain answers.

6/13/2008 8:33:30 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Problem is, you have exactly zero foundation for assuming that the ‘nature’ of the earth and sun will not change 5 seconds from now.

How can you even continue to function if you believe shit like that? Every second of your existence that you rely on any knowledge you have ever gained, every time you typed a character of your post and expected the same character you pressed on the keyboard to appear on the screen, every second you even expected your computer to continue to be a computer and not, say, metamorphosise into an angry hippo and bite you, you implicitly reject such an insane notion as the one you just typed.

6/13/2008 8:42:45 AM

Cabal

His worldview? The one that says that apparently at some arbitrary point in the future the universe will end? Hardly more confident than immutability.

6/13/2008 10:36:23 AM

anevilmeme

Burma!

6/13/2008 10:51:56 AM

MK

This is just so much blather attempting to counter logical and scientific thinking processes. Failing to provide proof of God's existence, the fundie instead tries to show that nothing at all, whatsoever, can be proven, and therefore the statement "You cannot prove God's existence" is no different than "You can't prove you won't turn into a gerbil in two seconds."

6/13/2008 10:56:17 AM

tmr

@Qwerthy, I am so with you on that goddidit thing.

6/13/2008 11:30:55 AM

aaa

You got shit for brains.

6/13/2008 11:35:00 AM



Epic fail.

6/13/2008 1:17:08 PM

Alethe

@ Qwerthy:

Indeed. Explaining everything with 'Goddidit' explains exactly nothing.

6/13/2008 1:43:10 PM

stogoe

How can you even continue to function if you believe shit like that?

I have no idea. A universe with intermittent (macroscopic) causality would be a truly terrifying place.

6/13/2008 3:13:26 PM

Philbert McAdamia

Then again there's the ccmx<kjf20///98 7ub89trse
Oops! Sorry - I was suddenly a gerbil there for a bit...
Whoa - didn't see THAT one coming...

I'll try this again tomorrow, after the penguin rises

6/13/2008 3:39:10 PM



No, it's fairly rational to say that given the nature of the Sun and of other stars, that it will not be turning into a peguin any time soon.

6/13/2008 3:58:03 PM

Grigadil

Problem is, SyeTenB put the words "zero" and "foundation" together, and thinks he is astoundingly clever.

6/13/2008 4:02:05 PM

Alfred

Your Bible, and presumably, your "worldview" are very inconsistent on this topic. Examples:

Ecclesiastes 1:4:

"One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever."

2 Peter 3:10:

"... the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Which one represents your "worldview" and that of your holy book?

6/13/2008 5:01:53 PM

Pedantic Twit

Gah! I hate to resort to pure ad hominem, but DAMN!

You are of the stupid.

Actually, both of you are. All experiential predictions are inductive, and as such rely on the assumption of a consistent system. This is an assumption that we must make in order to function. It no more requires a deity than it requires I kick your asses for being retarded.

6/13/2008 5:38:34 PM

Old Viking

He actually thinks this is a sophisticated philosophical position.

6/13/2008 10:30:59 PM

Quantum Mechanic

idiot

8/30/2013 1:53:51 AM



And even if it did these things it would be evidence for your god how, exactly?

8/30/2013 2:04:18 AM

Dr. Shrinker

He wants to grow up to be David Hume. How cute!

8/30/2013 5:43:46 AM
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