Niall Kilkenny #fundie

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"Saint Anne Boleyn is the connection between St. Patrick and the Reformation in England."

"Mother Ireland can proudly claim this illustrious Queen as one of her own children.....Though a humble maiden, she changed the course of world history and liberated all of Europe from the deadly grasp of the Papacy"

"Saint Anne risked her life to make King Henry VIII familiar with the Bible. With a knowledge of the Scriptures, King Henry would have terminated the Spanish alliance and followed up on the New World Discovery of John Cabot!!"

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old comment by tmr

Henry would not have broken from Rome if he didn't want to get into Anne's knickers so badly. She wouldn't do the deed unless they were married, he was already married and he was so whipped he divorced his dedicated wife for a piece of ass.

Henry knew the bible. He was a defender of the faith. He was a learned theologian. He spoke, and read, Latin, therefore, even in the 15th & 16th centuries, he could read the bible when others couldn't. He dug into that bible deeply to find where it would say something to invalidate his marriage to his first wife. I'd say he read the bible more than you ever have.

Anne Boleyn was not the witch/whore/incestuous woman history has attempted to make her out to be, but she sure as hell wasn't a saint. She was a woman who knew what she wanted and knew how to manipulate men in order to get it.

If you want to claim she was a Saint, more power to ya'. People who hear of that claim, however, will immediately recognize that you are ignorant and quite uneducated.

old comment by Count Zapolai

I don't get this guy. I really, honestly don't.

I can understand demagogic propaganda; staggering ignorance, or even outright lies to serve political or philsophical ends; to an extent even the semantic naval gazing that tends to crop up here.

I honestly respect the fact that few people study history (BA Oxon, personally). I like the idea that history is, and always will be, controversial, meaning that my views may never be widely held.

BUT... what I can't get is how it's possible for one person to know as much history as this person obviously does; and get it this wrong. He's more probably knowledgeable then most Oxbridge history undergrads; in terms of the interelationship of historical figures. This kind of writing must take days of research, if not more. By reading widely respected and sensible historical scholarship.

And at the same time, he's utterly, unmistakeably, batshit insane. But he's consistent, he merely wrenches real history into claim after absurd claim. Ok, I'll give him that Anne Boleyn was pretty fundamental to the English Reformation... but the rest of Europe? More so than Frederick of Saxony or John Calvin? An earlier Reformation would have caused New World Exploration? By the Monarch?

But how do you get to KNOW this stuff without realising how ridiculous your claims are? How is it possible?

Niall Kilkenny is unique. He's either a harmless eccentric, or the most genuinely sinister person attached to this site.

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"Why didn't he just order her dragged into his bedchamber in chains, like any other Evil Overlord would have done?"

@tracer: Because, like MilkyWay said, he wanted an heir. Even if he did force her to sleep with him, it wouldn't mean anything, because any child she would conceive would be illegitimate. He was still married to Catherine of Aragon and as far as things looked, she wasn't going to give birth to a healthy baby boy any time soon. And the pope wasn't going to grant him a divorce, because he was at the mercy of Catherine's nephew, the Holy Roman Emperor. So, in Henry's mind, it would all work out. He would break off from Rome, thereby have the power to divorce Catherine himself, marry Anne Boleyn, and produce a male heir. It seemed to work out...until the "boy" turned out to be the future Elizabeth I.

old comment by Xotan

I hope you have the permission of the Irish Heritage Service (Dúchas) for the use of the Butler castle in Kilkenny. They own the place on behalf of the Catholic (mainly) Irish, and they may not be too pleased at your use of their property. I'll tip them off.

Links of Anne Boleyn with Ireland are tenuous, if they exist at all. [citation needed].

Irish people tend to regard Ms Boleyn as little more than a whore who sold herself for power. A lot of Engish feel that way too.

A correction: Henry VII was alive when Hentry married Katherine of Aragon. He was behind the match.

An interesting way to remember how Hal did in his women

Divorced
Beheaded
Died
Divorced
Beheaded
Survived.

BTW, he ONLY had 6 wives. King Solomon had a lot more.

old comment by Kim

Oh my God, this is so wrong.

Prior to the marriage of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn, he was married to Catherine of Aragon. Now, Catherine was Spanish (well, Castillian) and a devout Catholic.

Now, there's some stuff about Catherine and Arthur marrying, blah, blah, not pertinent to this issue.

Anyway, before Henry wanted his marriage to Catherine dissolved, the Pope (the one who wears that funny hat) had given Henry the title "Defender of the Faith". Why? Because he protected the Catholic Church from Martin Luther's criticisms.

Anne Boleyn was madly pursued by Henry after Henry realized that Catherine would bear no more children (and her looks were completely gone). Yes, Anne Boleyn was not Catholic, but her ultimate role in overthrowing "the deadly grasp of a Papacy" was small.

It was more of a Catherine vs. Henry thing, as in Henry wants a divorce to marry Anne but the Catholic church won't let him so he changes the whole religion of England to suit his needs.

Anne Boleyn? She just kind of stood there.

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