scarlets79:
Am:
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They had selective breeding and "might makes right" ideologies before Darwin made his observations regarding how breeding and interspecies competition results in stronger surviving populations. The theory of evolution has as much to do with Hitler's activities as the germ theory of disease has to do with the Black Death.
And "Am" is taking the stance that we only some sort of denial/repression state, in order to avoid dealing with some sort of Lovecraftian truth. Almost ironic...
Evolution isn't wrong just because some douche took it into his own hands and fucked everything up.
This simply means we shouldn't use it for morality or political ideologies. It works great as a scientific theory, though.
1. Evolution is not a basis for morality and never has been.
so hitler didn't enforce social darwinism by throwing jews and others into gas chambers, believeing the aryan race were the most evolved fittest race to emerge from survival of the fittest world war? and eugenics has nothing to do with evolution ideas?
Hitler's ideas came from animal breeding - a science well-known long before Darwin. Since when is a racist killing Jews "natural" selection? Blaming Darwin for Hitler is like blaming Newton for the hangman.
You're missing out on some things:
1) Evolution is a scientific theory that should not be used as a basis for morality.
2) Social Darwinism is the misapplication of the scientific theory of evolution as a guideline for society.
3) Survival of the fittest does not mean you should kill the "less fit".
4) Evolution is based on natural selection, not selection via a psychotic dictator.
5) The idea of eugenics has been around for many hundreds of years. Long before Darwin came up with his theory.
6) Even if everything you said was true, it still wouldn't disprove evolutionary theory.
Evolutionary theory does not advocate genocide. Of course, you, having never studied it, have no idea what the term "evolution" means anyway...
And your god supposedly committed mass racial genocide more than a few times in your OT. If you are as strongly opposed to genocide as you claim, why don't you criticize or protest the sadistic practices attributed to your god?
Even if Hitler had a firm grasp on evolution, and was practicing it, wouldn't that mean evolution was MORE true, not less?
so hitler didn't enforce social darwinism by throwing jews and others into gas chambers
No. He based his ideas of genocide on old knowledge of how traits can be "weeded out" by removing carriers of those traits. Evolution had nothing to do with it.
believeing the aryan race were the most evolved fittest race to emerge from survival of the fittest world war?
No, not at all. That is a complete strawman.
and eugenics has nothing to do with evolution ideas?
No, they do not.
Darwinists can only cover it up in order to keep their sanity and believe in evolution at the same time.
I love the term "Darwinism". Such a ridiculous straw term applied on so many people and ideas, and based on such a ridiculous leap of logic it's amazing.
"believeing the aryan race were the most evolved fittest race to emerge from survival of the fittest world war?"
Actually, he believed that the Aryan race was God's chosen race, and that he was doing God's work. Does the term "Gott Mit Uns" (I may have misspelled that) mean anything to you?
@LOLYou guys need to read any of scarlets/coadie/AM threads... FSTDT gold mines
They are all well know FSTDT Superstars, add Stuporsport, dad1, Dave Stewert, and hovind and we've got one hell of an FSTDT book.
scarlet-"and eugenics has nothing to do with evolution ideas? "
Well lets see.
First, Evolutionary theory holds that diversity is a good thing since it provides more chances a species can adapt to changing environment. So reducing that diversity (as the Nazis did) is counter to evolution.
and second, Jews aren't a race. Judaism is a religion which is why anti-semitism is also rooted in religion.
So yes, Eugenics as practiced by the Nazis has nothing to do with evolution.
Evolution and morals are mutually exclusive. Much like condoms and polar bears.
I'll explain: Evolution is strictly science while morality is the specific code of behavior we all, as individuals, live by. One has no connection to the other, nor influence over it.
Once again Am proves what a drooling fuckwit she is. One would think she'd be getting tired of being one and at least do a touch of independent research, but hey...ignorance apparently truly is, in fact, bliss.
Actually from an evolutionary standpoint, the "aryan" race is a fallacy. It is no more superior or inferior than the next. It surpassed the Indus Valley because the Indus valley was a bronze age civilisation. The Aryans knew about iron.
However so did the Dravidans of southern india who fought back with their iron and their horses. Hence the general two major kingdom state that India tended to be in.
Hitler's Aryan race did not include such "aryans" such as the Irish (Aire), the Indians (A Dravida Aryan "race") and the Ainu. Because Hitler knew nothing about evolutionary theory.
And if Hitler truly believed in evolution, he would have had a massive "sleep with jews" policy. Not a kill them all policy.
Hitler believed the Germans were descended from demi-gods.
So to recapture the demi-god power, he created breeding farms for blonde hair blue people (if I am wrong tell me about it).
Then to ensure that dilution never happens again he decides to kill everyone else that might corrupt the gene pool of his demi-god race.
Yes he was that insane.
*headdesk*
We do NOT worship or even venerate Darwin, so stop calling us Darwinists.
Social Darwinism has NOTHING to do with evolution, whatsoever.
What the Holocaust was, was the precise OPPOSITE of Natural Selection. It is Artificial Selection, where mankind chooses traits, and culls...or in this case, flat out exterminates because of it, and finally...*drumroll*...
HITLER OPPOSED AND BANNED DARWIN'S WORK!
*Puff, puff...*
Thank you, and have a nice day.
sorry, he picked the races he disliked based on biblical bigotry and scapegoating, while promoting the aryan race as superior based on absolutely no science and to create a strong group-feeling. you should watch 'the wave', it demonstrates how this works very well.
Confused?
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