[from: Bruce Hallman, the father of seven adopted children who works "full time for the Lord as a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,"]
"Andrea Yates is just another victim of the present-day apostate church," he says. "She had no strength in the Lord because she truly didn't know the Lord. A right relationship - truly worshipping Him in spirit and in truth - would have given her the overcoming power she needed to resist the Devil during her period of testing."
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A right relationship - truly worshipping Him in spirit and in truth - would have given her the overcoming power she needed to resist the Devil during her period of testing."
How about a visit to the psychiatrist followed up by months or years of intensive therapy?
Andrea Yates is just another victim of the present-day apostate church," he says. "She had no strength in the Lord because she truly didn't know the Lord.
She wouldn't have agreed with you about that.
It had nothing to do with 'the devil'. The woman was suffering from postpartum depression, and instead of keeping it zipped up, hubby kept fucking her and getting her knocked up, one year after another, not getting her any help whatsoever, until she snapped and slid into psychosis.
The POS married another Quiver full broodmare and is repeating the process.
Fundies want to deny that everyone is a potential apostate. They're all sure that they're "true Christians."
They wouldn't deny that Muslim apostates were true Muslims. But because they can't admit that the "Holy Spirit" can fail or doesn't exist, they have to make excuses.
Mrs. Yates had postpartum psychosis, and due to her husbands tutelage of fundie bullshit, she thought killing her kids is what the Lawd wanted. Besides, the Babble is full of Gawd killing babies and ordering people to kill babies.
I am deeply disturbed by people who think like this, and feel terribly for those girls born into households like this fool's.
She wasn't experiencing a 'period of testing', you sick bastard. She was experiencing post-partum psychosis, and apparently your god has no control over it, otherwise she wouldn't have snapped and killed her five children.
She needed psychiatric help and refused it because she put all her faith in the belief that your god would help her.
She was no different than the delusional shitwits who sat over their 11 year old daughter and prayed rather than taking her to get treatment for her diabetes.
We all see how well that turned out, don't we?
You people shouldn't have children. You're too fucking stupid and delusional to take proper care of them.
She listened to the voice in her head, much as Abraham did. Apparently she didn't hear the voice say "Just kidding".
In any event, her religious masters refused to recognize her shaky mental health, much less do anything about it, so they "righteously" attribute her very real psychosis to imaginary creatures, exonerating themselves.
So angry at this. Having a serious chemical imbalance is the not the work of the Devil.
Even having a hsband essentially force you to have more children against your will, despite your good point of having serious post-partum-depression, might be bad but still not proof of a working Devil.
Grow the f**k up and get a working brain, or don't join the adults in the conversation.
And yes, admittedly I speak as someone who takes medication themself, but I think my family would rather have me alive and happy than suicidal over uncrontrollable urges (for OCD, not murder!) and panic attacks.
Yates is a victim of a careless, arrogant and ignorant husband who refused to accept that his wife may not be the happy christian homemaker he envisioned her to be.
She herself said god told her to kill those kids.
Postpartum depression is multiplied by a gazillion when one has fundie's surrounding them making them feel guilty and not right with god for their feelings and emotions.
Andrea Yates was suffering an extreme form of postpartum depression known as postpartum psychosis. Instead of helping her seek medical treatment, her husband and religious masters left her to rot, which led to the multiple filicides she's now in an asylum for.
They tried to pretend her problem didn't exist, preferring to sweep it under the carpet. Her husband was concerned more with having the perfect traditional home and family than he was about his wife's health.
As far as I'm concerned, he has the blood of his children on his hands too, because he repeatedly failed to help Andrea, even though the warning signs were painfully obvious. To claim this preventable tradgedy was all a test from God and claim she was not a True Christian is sheer and outright lunacy.
I think she just had too much bad blood in her.
After a couple of bloodlettings she would be fine, maybe.
"she truly didn't know the Lord." image
No no Brucie! She was actually talking to God, who told her to drown her children to save them from hell! You're the one that's been tricked by Satan!
Really? You think I'm wrong? Prove it!
@Horsefeathers: actually they prefer you to be religious when applying to adopt. Atheists however can't adopt (well, we can but they [seriously] do a more thorough background check). A child has an "innate need to know god" and needs "the good leadership of a strong church" "in order to be whole".
I wonder how may atheist mothers have drowned/suffocated/stabbed/beaten et al their child/ren to death? My guess - few if any.
@Sisyphus
I don't know that I would be so quick to make that statement. I remember an incident in Toronto several years back where a mother jumped in front of a subway train with her newborn. Religion did not appear to be a motive. She was undergoing treatment. Sadly, she simply got away when no one was looking.
actually they prefer you to be religious when applying to adopt. Atheists however can't adopt (well, we can but they [seriously] do a more thorough background check). A child has an "innate need to know god" and needs "the good leadership of a strong church" "in order to be whole".
Hmph, looks like they should be giving the religious more thorough background checks, particularly those of a more fundie strain.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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