God had to allow man to fall into sin so that Jesus COULD die; the death of Christ was always God's aim from eternity past.
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Revelation 13:8, KJV)
The whole purpose of creation was so that Christ could die for and bring into existence His Church. And He will also glorify His righteousness in the destruction of sinners.
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Therefore, you fucktard... God PLANNED the whole Eden/Fruit thing and we cannot be held responsible for it at all.
In fact, it means God set up Eve and Adam to sin so he could "save" us from that sin... and if we refuse to bow down to the git who set us up in the first place, he's gonna burn the fuck out of us for eternity.
God created the universe one day and thought, "You know, I've always wanted to have a son, then kill him..."
Seems like a lot of ultimately pointless, exasperating rigamarole to end up back where he started. But hey, if it made sense, fundies wouldn't believe it.
@anonymous_troy
"God created the universe one day and thought, "You know, I've always wanted to have a son, then kill him..." "
It's worse than that... God also thought "Hmm, how can I kill my only son? I know, I'll create this universe, fuck things up, then use him as a "sacrifice" to save the universe from me fucking it up"
And people think he's someone to look up to??
Oh, and yes... we was totally framed.
"The whole purpose of creation was so that Christ could die for and bring into existence His Church. And He will also glorify His righteousness in the destruction of sinners."
Maybe it's just me but this seems needlessly complex for an omnipotent deity.
Silly fundies. That whole omnipotence/omniscience thing always bits you in the ass when you go ad hoc'ing shit.
"if it made sense, fundies wouldn't believe it."
@lucilius:
If it made sense, RELIGIOUS people wouldn't believe it.
Remember, it is the moderates that make it safe for the fundies.
Really? Where are you getting that? In my bible, it says that Adam and Eve fucked up, and that the only way for God to save humanity was by sacrificing his only son (who was also him).
Still messed up, but not quite as sadistic.
So, god created sin so he could come to earth as Jesus and ultimately kill himself in order to save his other creation, man, from their own sins, which god gave them in the first place?
Wow. That seems like an imperfect way to do things. Rather convoluted, don't you think?
God had to allow man to fall into sin so that Jesus COULD die; the death of Christ was always God's aim from eternity past.
POE, this part gives it away.
Seems kind of hard luck for that Jesus guy. God had it in for him all along.
And hard luck for all those destroyed sinners. Couldn't God have come up with a less sadistic plan?
But I suppose if there wasn't murder, death and suffering, the fundies wouldn't buy into it.
Great idea there, Reformed apple. Only problems is it is not in the Bible. Oh, that other little fact, that it DESTROYS the basis for the Christian religion by turning God into a manipulative deceiver which is supposedly the realm of the Satan. The whole purpose of man was so God could throw a snit fit and put people in hell? I think you should stop now, the atheists over here aren't doing as good of a job as you are of making your religion look bad.
So God created man, knowing they'd sin, intending for them to sin, so he could murder his son (who is also himself) to spare humanity from his own wrath (IF they bend over and take his insane demands up the ass) so that he could show off by torturing those who didn't believe this story or play by his insane, convoluted, contradictory rules.
MY HEAD A SPLODE!
God has already spent an eternity lolling around limbo, doing godly things and slowly and surely going completely and irredeemably mad. Totally barking at the moon, eye twisting, tongue popping, snarling insanity.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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