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All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Babies are born guilty, however, God understands this. It's called the age of accountability. Even though those babies were killed, it was the most merciful thing that could have been done, for they would have no doubt grown up to become the very same guilty adults that their fathers were. Instead, even though they died, we (Christians) will see them in heaven.

Jesusissavior, FSTDT Forums 57 Comments [6/25/2008 4:02:31 PM]
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Robert

By that logic, I should sacrifice my soul and kill every baby I see, so they can live in heaven. Because what's my soul to there thousands. I also wonder if this person is pro-life cause this kinda justifies abortion for all christians. Hell, we should just kill all babies right when they're born so they all go to heaven.

6/24/2008 12:54:10 AM



So the massacre of children is God showing mercy?

Makes me wonder which one of us has a 'morality problem' that you Christians like ot harp on.


This is the same argument that that prick Lee Strobel uses in his books too.

6/24/2008 12:58:06 AM

Moon Wolfhowl

"they would have no doubt grown up to become the very same guilty adults that their fathers were."


As the son of a colossally stupid fuck of a father, let me just say:

Fuck you.

6/24/2008 1:01:51 AM

Lunalelle

Then what is the problem with abortion? More souls saved.

6/24/2008 1:02:40 AM

Horsefeathers

"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Babies are born guilty, however, God understands this. It's called the age of accountability."

Normal people call it fucking sick. However, you brainwashed religious idiots may ascribe some ad hoc "age of accountability" bullshit to it. As far as I'm aware, that whole age of accountability thing isn't actually in your Babble.

"Even though those babies were killed, it was the most merciful thing that could have been done, for they would have no doubt grown up to become the very same guilty adults that their fathers were."

Let me get this straight, "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" and "Babies are born guilty..." and then "Even though those babies were killed, it was the most merciful thing that could have been done, for they would have no doubt grown up to become the very same guilty adults that their fathers were" but abortion is a bad, bad, evil, vile and sinful thing. You people are screwy. Then again, it fits perfectly with the rest of your theology.

"Instead, even though they died, we (Christians) will see them in heaven."

So then why not murder all of your children before this supposed "age of accountability"?

6/24/2008 1:13:55 AM

Eden

As other people wrote, this sounds like the perfect reason for an abortion ;)

But I hope you understand that, even acording to your own fundie logic you sound somehow strange.
You fundies constantly claim that noone who has sinned can get to heaven, unless he accepts Jesus as savior. And you normally speak of this as if it were some kind of natural law.

But nevertheless you claim that babies, although neither being free from sin, nor accepting Jesus as their savior directly ascend to heaven.
So, if god, as your posting suggests, can delkiberately bend these rules as he sees fit, what keeps him from issuing some general amnesty, letting people of every religion ascend to heaven, no matter wether they accept Jesus as their savior or not. Everything in your posting suggests that he could do it. And you always claim that your god is a loving god, and that he only sacrificed his son for us, so such a general amnesty would be in gods interest as it would mean that all humans were saved, not only a small minority.

6/24/2008 1:48:36 AM

Berny

Even though those babies were killed, it was the most merciful thing that could have been done

Can you people actually read what you write? Can you reason through your own bullshit at all?
The only sin a newborn has is one your asshole god chooses to impose upon it. The whole concept of original sin is garbage. Since your god is responsible for original sin in the first place, he can't blame man for his failure.

6/24/2008 1:54:31 AM

Allegory for Jesus

And you oppose abortion...why?

6/24/2008 2:01:10 AM

CeilingCat

Oh, you're a goddamned dipshit. If you honestly believe that babies are born guilty, then you're believing in karma, and you're not a Christian. HERETIC! HERETIC!

6/24/2008 2:03:22 AM

JonathanE

By that logic, abortion must be wonderful, since it fills heaven with those little souls.
You fail.

6/24/2008 2:08:32 AM

Beccs

Once again I have to ask *which* christians will see them in heaven? There are so many types and sects and subgroups, aren't there? All claiming they're the one *true* form of christianity.

6/24/2008 2:18:54 AM

Sheik yer Bouti

More proof of the immorality of christians.

6/24/2008 2:21:51 AM

Canadian_hoser

The "being born a sinner" is the most repulsive aspect of the Christian faith. It certainly does not apply to me. I was born innocent.

6/24/2008 3:12:23 AM



most merciful thing that could have been done, for they would have no doubt grown up to become the very same guilty adults that their fathers were.

How the hell do you know what babies will grow up to do? I love the way killing babies is "merciful", yet abortion (which in fact does not ammount to killing "babies") is still wrong...

6/24/2008 3:17:45 AM

approximate

Baby Killers fer Jeebus!

6/24/2008 3:22:45 AM

Qreg

And atheists have a depressing world view?

6/24/2008 3:27:07 AM

Quaffer

What is the scripture reference for this "age of accountability"?

6/24/2008 4:17:43 AM

Skyknight

I'm pretty sure that most sects of Christianity don't see themselves as the "one true" so much as the "most exemplary". I don't think you'll, say, find Methodists regarding Presbyterians or Baptists as doomed to Sheol for non-Methodism. And if the Vatican can regard Jews as saved, whether or not they specifically swear fealty to the Christ (without swearing fealty to the...I think we just found another reason why the Dispensationalists have it in for Catholicism...)...I'll trust you can extrapolate from there.

By the way...My translation of that phrase of Paul's goes "For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God.". Granted, that could be "need" as in "lack", but perhaps the point really was not so much unworthiness as incompleteness. The idea was not to excoriate humanity, but to explain what medicine/component/etc. was needed to achieve the completeness they were yearning for. (i.e. All humanity, whether Gentile or Jew, is in the same quandary of spiritual dissonance, and God is offering a way to disrupt that dissonance.)

6/24/2008 4:46:36 AM

Pyroclasm

And you're against abortion why?

6/24/2008 4:58:41 AM

aaa

And they call themselves "Pro-life".

6/24/2008 4:58:56 AM

The Outsider

This is BigChrisFilm by the way. You can tell by the absolutely horrible attempt at apologetic.

6/24/2008 5:00:59 AM

Fishcakes

I never understood the "babies are born sinful and guilty" shit. Babies don't know how to do shit. Well, they know how TO shit, but they don't know the difference between "right" or "wrong." They don't understand anything at all. How can they do something that is "right" or "wrong"? Babies just kind of ARE until they get older and start learning.

6/24/2008 6:00:50 AM

Milking the Catz

Cunt.

6/24/2008 6:01:37 AM

randomcollision

Guilty until you kiss God's ass enough. How moral.
Is the age of accountability set in stone no matter how fast a child develops?
What if the child is retarded and never fully develops an awareness? Are they saved forever? Would the most humane thing to do be to drop all children on their heads?
Are the insane held accountable for their actions? Does Hitler get a free pass?
How sane does someone have to be to not be accountable?
What if their brain damage is self induced, through drugs or their own blundering?
I think I've got an interesting line of questions going here...

6/24/2008 7:05:58 AM

ID82

"Even though those babies were killed, it was the most merciful thing that could have been done, for they would have no doubt grown up to become the very same guilty adults that their fathers were."

Why didn't God kill that babies father before he reached "the age of accountability," why doesn't god just kill us after were born so we can all go to heaven, what your saying doesn't make sense.

6/24/2008 7:58:52 AM
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