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God allows evil for the greater good. Evil is any absense of God. God gives people the option to exit His intimate presence and people take it. Any loosening of his control of all is dangerous. But God loosens some of that control to bring about a willingness/love for that control. I for one am actually afraid of myself and the damage that I can do and so I hunger for Gods control and look forward to an eternity of it. You all are on the other side of that spectrum including hell/absense of God forever.

Helpu, Christian Biblical Errancy Debate 36 Comments [6/24/2008 11:51:02 PM]
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I was just reading today about a certain personality type that seeks out authoritarian religions as a way to deal with frightening impulses. This guy must be an example.

6/24/2008 11:55:09 PM


Evil is any absense of God.

God is omnipresent. There is no absence of God.

Any loosening of his control of all is dangerous. But God loosens some of that control to bring about a willingness/love for that control.

So... God loosens the control so we can beg for his control. Sounds like S&M to me.

6/24/2008 11:55:22 PM

cool cats

There it is folks.

A fundie admits a lack of self control.

6/24/2008 11:55:33 PM


Ähm no,
you let it seem like it is a conscious choice for god or against him. But the prerequisite of such a choice would be the definite knowledge of gods existence. Which is something we don´t have, considering the fact that the bible has to be judged as unreliable due to the contradictions with reality and its own stories.

Many of the Atheists of today would be believers if there would be sure knowledge that god really exists ;)
But well, I am sure abut my own morals and know that even without an authoritarian god like YHWH that I`ll try to do good and not hurt other people (which doesn´t mean I´m an atheist btw. I just don´t believe in YHWH [and in YHWH being a good god])

6/24/2008 11:57:09 PM


So just sit back, worship God and you'll never be bothered by tornadoes, floods or earthquakes. How come all these Bible Belt fundamentalists have lost their homes and been killed? If they aren't doing the right thing, who the hell is?

6/24/2008 11:57:11 PM


See. That's the thing. I'm not afraid of what I will do. Call me crazy, but, I just don't see any logical need to hurt others. Apparently, God didn't give me any "evil urges". I almost feel left out.

6/25/2008 12:04:00 AM


How the fuck does evil have ANYthing to do with "the greater good?"

6/25/2008 12:17:10 AM

sofia the antichrist

@szena: Another interesting thing about fundies and conspiracy theorists is that many exhibit symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder, particularly the black and white thinking.

6/25/2008 12:25:04 AM

Allegory for Jesus

If evil is the absence of God, how is it that God can commit acts that He also calls evil?
If evil is the absence of God, why does the Bible say that God created evil? Is God responsible for making the absence of himself?
If God only "gives" us the "option" to commit evil, why has he given us so many needs, desires, and biological drives designed to drive us away from what he expects us to do?
And why is it that the people who are the most capable of doing evil are the ones who are so willing to embrace God?

Seems kind of odd, no?

6/25/2008 12:42:08 AM

The Jamo

Translation: I'm an insecure dingbat and I need someone to tell me what to do. Failing that, I will make up someone who will tell me what to do. I take no responsibility for my actions.

6/25/2008 12:49:55 AM


Helpu shoot yourself in the foot?

6/25/2008 12:51:31 AM

Wet Walnuts

This sounds like some sort of S&M relationship...but not in a good way.

It reminds me of Jean-Paul Sartre's old saying, "mankind is damned to be free".

6/25/2008 1:06:24 AM

Yep, and ppl like you scare me.

6/25/2008 1:12:00 AM


Where's that story where they argue that the universe is inherently evil and its omnimalevolent creator only allowed good for the greater evil?

6/25/2008 1:36:04 AM

Sheik yer Bouti

My feeling too.

Actually, according to the bible, god has never done anything good.

So if "evil is the absence of god."

that means that god is the absence of god.

Therefore, god does not exist.

6/25/2008 1:48:02 AM


"Evil for the greater good."

Sounds like something a Silver-Age comic-book supervillain would say.

In fact, sometimes, God DOES sound like a Silver-Age comic-book supervillain. I can just picture a teamup with the Joker and Darkseid.

6/25/2008 1:52:10 AM


"I for one am actually afraid of myself and the damage that I can do"

If you truly believe this, you need to seek psychiatric help. Really.

You scare me.

6/25/2008 2:15:56 AM


There is just no wining an argument with a christard. None. No proof, no reason, no way. They will warp their logic into a pretzel to maintain their 'faith'. Go ahead, try to change 'em, and get back to me.

6/25/2008 2:32:29 AM

Old Viking

The old "evil is really good" gambit.

6/25/2008 2:46:39 AM


"I for one am actually afraid of myself ... I hunger for Gods control and look forward to an eternity of it."
Kill yourself now, you useless waste of good skin! Giving you a life to live was a waste, obviously, as you aren't remotely interested in living, it scares you.

6/25/2008 3:05:17 AM


I am a mature adult and have self control, so don't require the threat of the Almighty to keep me in line.

6/25/2008 3:07:47 AM


God is actually a Dungeon Master. Evil must exist, because if it didn't the heroes wouldn't have any quests to go on.

6/25/2008 3:36:43 AM


So...God granted us free will, but beats us with a nice oak stick if we have the audacity to use it is what you're saying. Yes?

6/25/2008 3:38:23 AM


@ Fishcakes
I would buy that issue in a second.

6/25/2008 3:46:39 AM



We should totally team up and write it.

Can you draw? :O

6/25/2008 4:37:34 AM

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