God allows evil for the greater good. Evil is any absense of God. God gives people the option to exit His intimate presence and people take it. Any loosening of his control of all is dangerous. But God loosens some of that control to bring about a willingness/love for that control. I for one am actually afraid of myself and the damage that I can do and so I hunger for Gods control and look forward to an eternity of it. You all are on the other side of that spectrum including hell/absense of God forever.
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Evil is any absense of God.
God is omnipresent. There is no absence of God.
Any loosening of his control of all is dangerous. But God loosens some of that control to bring about a willingness/love for that control.
So... God loosens the control so we can beg for his control. Sounds like S&M to me.
Ähm no,
you let it seem like it is a conscious choice for god or against him. But the prerequisite of such a choice would be the definite knowledge of gods existence. Which is something we don´t have, considering the fact that the bible has to be judged as unreliable due to the contradictions with reality and its own stories.
Many of the Atheists of today would be believers if there would be sure knowledge that god really exists ;)
But well, I am sure abut my own morals and know that even without an authoritarian god like YHWH that I`ll try to do good and not hurt other people (which doesn´t mean I´m an atheist btw. I just don´t believe in YHWH [and in YHWH being a good god])
So just sit back, worship God and you'll never be bothered by tornadoes, floods or earthquakes. How come all these Bible Belt fundamentalists have lost their homes and been killed? If they aren't doing the right thing, who the hell is?
See. That's the thing. I'm not afraid of what I will do. Call me crazy, but, I just don't see any logical need to hurt others. Apparently, God didn't give me any "evil urges". I almost feel left out.
If evil is the absence of God, how is it that God can commit acts that He also calls evil?
If evil is the absence of God, why does the Bible say that God created evil? Is God responsible for making the absence of himself?
If God only "gives" us the "option" to commit evil, why has he given us so many needs, desires, and biological drives designed to drive us away from what he expects us to do?
And why is it that the people who are the most capable of doing evil are the ones who are so willing to embrace God?
Seems kind of odd, no?
This sounds like some sort of S&M relationship...but not in a good way.
It reminds me of Jean-Paul Sartre's old saying, "mankind is damned to be free".
@allegory:
My feeling too.
Actually, according to the bible, god has never done anything good.
So if "evil is the absence of god."
that means that god is the absence of god.
Therefore, god does not exist.
"Evil for the greater good."
Sounds like something a Silver-Age comic-book supervillain would say.
In fact, sometimes, God DOES sound like a Silver-Age comic-book supervillain. I can just picture a teamup with the Joker and Darkseid.
"I for one am actually afraid of myself and the damage that I can do"
If you truly believe this, you need to seek psychiatric help. Really.
You scare me.
There is just no wining an argument with a christard. None. No proof, no reason, no way. They will warp their logic into a pretzel to maintain their 'faith'. Go ahead, try to change 'em, and get back to me.
"I for one am actually afraid of myself ... I hunger for Gods control and look forward to an eternity of it."
Kill yourself now, you useless waste of good skin! Giving you a life to live was a waste, obviously, as you aren't remotely interested in living, it scares you.
People have been trying to rationalize the existence of evil in the face of their omnipotent and good creator god(s) for as long as humans have graced the landscape, and it still stink of complete and utter bullshit. You'd think that after so much time with no real explanation at least some people would be dropping the silly notion of invisible magic beings controlling our lives.
Oh, wait...they have.
EDIT: And, BTW, evil is not the absence of god. Evil is a corrupted reinterpetation of good by others than god. Learn your own theology.
Again, god is omnipresent--he cannot by definition be absent from anywhere. Therefore, god is the author of evil. He's lucky he's not real, cuz otherwise he'd have a whole lot of es'plainin' to do to the millions upon millions of people who've been subjected to his evil for as long as humans have existed.
Any loosening of his control of all is dangerous. But God loosens some of that control to bring about a willingness/love for that control.
"Abusive husbands beat their wives and stalk them to bring about a willingness to submit to their husband's control."
"Plantation owners know that n*****s wouldn't be able to take care of themselves without being directed by the owners. Plantation owners support manumission because they know that a little freedom will re-enforce in n*****s a need for being controlled and directed."
I believe the "greater good" would be no death, poverty, starvation, uncertainty, oppression, suffering, torture, alienation, hatred, self-loathing, persecution, ecological ruin, and inequality...just to list some qualities off the top of my head.
Your god, theology, savior, religion, and scriptures fail all of these. They are simply coping mechanisms that grow more and more thin and ring more and more hollow as the years peel away.
Evil is any absense of God.
But god, according to your own deranged tenets, is everywhere. Thus evil is the deliberate negligence or inaction of god.
I for one am actually afraid of myself and the damage that I can do and so I hunger for Gods control and look forward to an eternity of it.
Once again, an excellent display of the very purest essence of religion: a child who never matured, trapped in an adult body and confused and afraid of adult life, longing for the return of a parental authority figure so they can go back to having someone else wipe their arse for them.
I for one am actually afraid of myself and the damage that I can do and ... You all are on the other side of that spectrum ...
With ya or agin ya, eh, George? OK, we're all on notice. I am afraid ... very afraid. Since 2000.
Believe me, this guy is a real whack job, a true imbecile for Jesus. When asked why God allows thousands of children to be molested, abused and murdered, he just keeps responding that God allows these evils so that he can show off his goodness, or that God turns all evil to good in the end, or that it is man's choice to create all these evils and God lets us have our free will to teach us a lesson. Complete bullshit, of course. A loving God would not allow such atrocities to happen, just as a loving neighbor would call the cops if they heard a child being beaten in the next apartment. So either God is a rotten bastard, or the world looks just the way we would expect it to look without any god at all.
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