So you want some kind of utopia? man you suck. I would not want to live in a utopia, the bad makes the good worth having.
[Hah, you don't want to live in a utopia because the bad is necessary for the good. I guess god lets children starve to death every day so you can enjoy your modern medicine and internet connection more.]
Why yes Paul when I think about that I am happy I live here, thank you.
[Oh well, as an atheist I'll never approve of torturing children to death to make my coffee taste better. I guess that sort of thing requires Christian morals.]
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Please explain how the horrible suffering of children is justified because it makes you feel good about your own lot.
Would it be okay if I hit you in the balls with a lead pipe and then claim it makes my nuts feel really, really good, so it's okay?
It's the problem of suffering all over again. If you are a theist and you live in a Western country, you probably should be giving thanks to God for this (and conversely, probably shouldn't be praying for that new SUV). But there are believers in the poverty, disease and tyranny struck places of the Earth too. Why does god hate Zimbabweans, Eritreans, North Koreans, etc?
In comparison with an inhabitant of the third-world, Woadhunter7 was 'blessed' almost beyond compare from the moment of his conception. So much, then, for original sin.
Oh, look! Two idiots dancing around the problem of suffering.
Isn't Heaven supposed to be, y'know, a utopia? No sorrow or anger or care or anything like that? That's how I've always heard it told, anyway.
#593785 wrote: "So if only the bad makes the good worth having, then spending an eternity in heaven must be the most boring, ennui-inducing thing a human could go through."
Which is why, I guess, so many fundies want their piece of heaven to come with a good view of the Lake of Fire(tm).
So at least one (though I suspect many) fundy can only gain enjoy from something by knowing that someone else is being deprived. Fundy christian morality at its highest!
I spot a marketing opportunity here:UnfairTrade Coffee - We beat and humiliate our workers and keep them in conditions of ignorance and near slavery so that you can enjoy only the best coffee that malnourished hands can pick. Now with added schadenfreude!"
You have one thing right: the bad makes the good seem better. You have one key thing wrong: other people's bad may make your own good fortune seem better, but it hardly justifies it, in that universal mediocrity for all would be far more tolerable for most empathetic, rational human beings.
@ David B's Comment of:
"Why does god hate Zimbabweans, Eritreans, North Koreans, etc?"
Cause they are brown or black. Duh. God is clearly White Power.
I would not want to live in a utopia...
If this is the case you may find Heaven to be a bit of a let-down.
...the bad makes the good worth having.
Gee it almost sounds as if you're approving of sin.
...I'll never approve of torturing children to death to make my coffee taste better.
Hey! Never say never.
Hobgoblin 1: Your job boils down to whipping these human slaves while they carry stuff from point A to point B.
Hobgoblin 2: Does whipping them make them move faster?
Hobgoblin 1: Not really. But it is critically important to maximizing the flavor of the food here.
Hobgoblin 2:
What?
Hobgoblin 1: Well, we're a "Usually Evil" race, so Evil food tastes better to us than Good food.
Hobgoblin 3: And Evil food starts by whipping the slaves who carry it.
Hobgoblin 1: Their screams of agony will actually waft up and sweeten the fruit they're carrying.
Hobgoblin 2: Wow
I never knew that.
- Order of the Stick : Guerillas in Their Midst
hedweb.org is the first line of defense against that 'you need the bad to feel the good' bullshit. I think its cute how people act like they’ve rationally judged pain and death as necessary when there isn’t a goddamn thing they could do about it if they decided that they WEREN'T justified. Although as hedweb.org points out, they aren't as inevitable as people might think...
Isn't heaven supposed to be some kind of utopia? So you don't want to go to heaven? The thought of children starving makes you happy?
As far as the last comment in the [ ] is that part of the quote? Or is Paul adding his own $0.02? Really it does get confusing.
@tracer #594444
It's not shade-grown. ;)
Well I kind of agree you couldn't live in a utopia as you need the bad to make the good worth having. If you never experienced anything bad your whole life you would have nothing to put the good times into perspect or to compare them with. If you don;t know what a bad time is, how do you know when you're having a good time?
I also admit that when I see the way some people around the world live and what they go through it makes me glad that I live where I do and makes me appreciate my lot a whole bunch more.
However, this does NOT mean that other people should suffer for my own benifit or that famine, poverty, war, disease, persecution etc are good things.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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