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Remember, satan has to get God's permission to do things...God is in control no matter what the world may look like, or what satan may think. Amen!
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Satan: "I want to tempt man. Cancel or allow?"
God: "Allow."
Satan: "I'm going to launch an assault against heaven. Cancel or allow?"
God: "Allow."
Satan is User Account Control.
so everythning is ultimately and irrevocably down to god.
nice to know.
So just why should we worship him, except through fear?
According to modern translations of the Bible, specifically Job, this is true. Though it makes the whole "Satan tempting Christ" thing a bit ridiculous.
"Oh hai god I want to try to tempt you."
"Hmm, this would be a good test for me to make sure I am really God. Go ahead."
However, historically it's quite easy to show that Satan almost certainly doesn't exist.
You know, that makes your God even more screwed up than I had thought. If, as you think, he's so against things people can't help (being attracted to the wrong people...) why doesn't he JUST BLINKIN' WELL REFUSE PERMISSION FOR THOSE THINGS?
God may I?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
idiot
You are just a delusional moron, left alone because your delusions don't really affect anyone else, no matter what you may think. The babble you just blabbed out makes as much sense as a five year old. Amen!
"Remember, satan has to get God's permission to do things...God is in control no matter what the world may look like, or what satan may think. Amen!"
Well now, isn't that one hell of an endorsement for your boy. I don't think you quite realize the implications of what you're saying here...
Another fundie making shit up as he goes along in order to fit his demented views into his biblical square.
Round hole, square peg; they don't work together.
So when Satan asks if he can trick a person into not being saved God says "Sure, go ahead?"
Wow. He doesn't like to make things easy for himself, does he?
Bullshit. Satan is the icon of Free Will, and the horrible concept known as Enjoying Life. Using free will is what has caused god's petulant frenzies all along.
This explains why the fundies are so ready to equate Satanism with atheism.
the fundies ... the fun dies
Can I kill 'em?
Huh?
Can I? Can I?
In effect, then, what you are saying is that god sanctions evil. Nice bit of warped morality somewhere in there, don't you think?
"God has a reason a good reason why he gives the Devil permission.
I'm on Christianforums if you want to talk about it more. Same name. "
The Church of Scientology has a good reason to charge impossibly large sums of money for the "treatments" they give.
Whether something is a "good" reason is subjective. And, to be honest, I am CERTAIN there's not a damn reason you can give (and certainly not ONE in the Bible) that could justify this, or the evil in the world that would have to be accounted for if God exists.
If anything, atheists save God from being accountable for the evil in this world; we know he doesn't exist, so we don't curse him or blame him for the repugnant events we've witnessed in history. Meanwhile, you and your kind continue to pursue evidence of his existence, which would make him complacent in the evils throughout the aeons...
Either way you go, superstition like this falls flat on its severely retarded face.
Christians typically argue that God allows Satan to commit evil acts because God can cause a greater good to come from that evil. But there are problems with that:
(1) Why isn't God's mere existence already the highest possible good? Why the need to create anything more?
(2) Even forgetting about (1) for a moment, why can't an omnipotent God cause the greater good to come about directly, without the need for evil to be done first? If there are certain things that God can't do without Satan first committing evil, then doesn't that make God dependent on Satan?
(3) Doesn't "allowing evil so that good can come of it" smack of Machiavellianism? And doesn't it require that God actually DESIRE evil, even if only as a means to an good end?
All in all, it doesn't work. If God were perfectly good and perfectly omnipotent, then there would be no evil.
Why on Earth would God even allow Satan, who's supposed to be the most evil entity in existence, any power at all? That's yet another thing I have trouble with regarding Christianity. It's not like God has given regular humans this sort of power to do really great things, as far as I know.
So are you saying that Satan, the most evil thing according to the Bible, is apparently nothing more than God's attack dog, and God himself is perfectly willing to allow Satan to deceive and compromise humanity for no good reason?
Wow, your particular God sounds like a dick!
So effectively Satan is God?
You should think before you write, idiot. Assuming you can, that is.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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