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Sorry to disappoint you, but you didn't put anything over my head. I happen to be recuperating from shoulder surgery, and just didn't feel like it then.......

That's nice that you can hand pick scriptures and try to make your point without cross-referencing or looking at the bigger picture, and seeing the story for what it was meant to be.

I seriously think you are the type of person who if I were to tell you that the sky IS blue, or the grass IS green, you would find a reason to argue with the statement. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, or makes you any less knowlegeable, but actually you keep dodging my points on how we can't see God with our eyes, (He is more powerful than the sun, and we can't even look directly into that, without injuring ourselves) and you don't explain why you just can't comprehend this notion. Actually, I don't think it has anything to do with your ability to understand it, but rather, it is easier for you to say, none of it exists, and it's all make believe, etc. That way, you have no accountability to something higher than yourself. Has science figured out the connection betwen our heart and brain and all of the emotions we feel as humans? Didn't think so. And THEY never will.

sunshine4ever, Chillicothe Gazette - Across Ohio Message Board 34 Comments [7/1/2008 8:28:23 AM]
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We already did that.

7/1/2008 8:41:35 AM

Pyroclasm

And yet the sun is actually there, giving us tangible things like light and warmth.

What has God done recently?

7/1/2008 8:44:23 AM

David B.

"I seriously think you are the type of person who if I were to tell you that the sky IS blue, or the grass IS green, you would find a reason to argue with the statement."

Well of course I would, it should read "The sky is blue and the grass is green."

7/1/2008 8:57:28 AM

Darn

Well at least science has proven that the heart is nothing more than a large organic pump, the notion that your emotions are located/generated there is sooooo 18th century.




7/1/2008 9:00:57 AM

redfergus

Sometimes the sky is grey. And sometimes, in a drought, say, the grass is yellowish brown. And you are a fool, because you accuse someone of 'dodging' your points about an imaginary being, when there are no points to be made.

fergus

7/1/2008 9:13:43 AM

Mortok

It's easier for you to pass the blame onto some higher power, rather than take responsibility for yourself and your actions.

7/1/2008 9:19:06 AM

Thammuz

That's nice that you can hand pick scriptures and try to make your point without cross-referencing or looking at the bigger picture

THE IRONY! IT BURNS!

Has science figured out the connection betwen our heart and brain and all of the emotions we feel as humans?

Brain makes heart beat, emotion are chemical reactions. Ktxby.

7/1/2008 9:19:32 AM

Yahweh's Toaster

Wasn't Moses able to look at Yahweh without dying?

7/1/2008 9:25:05 AM

Joe-Bob

On the god/sun analogy:

Ok, someone want to point out something to this dude. 1) The sun is a giant thermonuclear furnace that burns at temperatures we can't really even fathom. It has no choice in this. 2) God, at least his God, is an allegedly all-powerful being. Is he really telling me that God is as limited as the sun? Honestly?

7/1/2008 9:29:12 AM

anevilmeme

"Has science figured out the connection betwn our heart and brain and all of the emotions we feel as humans?"

This argument has been very popular among fundtards the last couple of years, maybe its all they have left.

7/1/2008 9:38:37 AM

The Jamo

The sun is a massive nuclear furnace that is fusing millions of tonnes of hydrogen into heavier elements every second. You can look at it through filters. Is there a filter through which we can see god?

7/1/2008 10:01:37 AM

Frank

Has science figured out the connection betwen our heart and brain?

Yes.

See the Vagus nerve (CN X) carries parasympathetic innervation to the Cardiac Plexus, and the Sympathetic Trunk carries sympathetic innervation from Thoracic vertebrae 1-4 to the Cardiac Plexus. These decelerate or accelerate the Sino-Atrial Node, which is the heart's pace maker. The Sino-Atrial Node sends electrical impulses through the Purkinje Fibers to the Atrial-Ventricular Node, which then sends electrical impulses to the apex of the heart and then back up to both ventricles to create a simultaneous contraction of musculature.

Next Question?



-Frank

7/1/2008 10:07:46 AM



but actually you keep dodging my points on how we can't see God with our eyes, (He is more powerful than the sun, and we can't even look directly into that, without injuring ourselves) and you don't explain why you just can't comprehend this notion.

A) We can look directly at it, actually. The issue isn't that we can't, it's that we shouldn't as doing so will cause serious damage to our eyes.
B) We have tons of other ways to observe not only the Sun, itself, but its effects as well.
C) If your god is all powerful then he should be able to allow himself to be seen directly. You can create the universe, but you can't appear in a toned down form? What's up with that?
D) You're just pulling things out of your ass. Nowhere in the bible does it say any such thing about your god and, in fact, I do believe that it would contradict such a claim.

7/1/2008 10:22:34 AM

Eden

In addition to what Frank wrote I can say that yes, we have discovered the connections between all emotions we feel as humans. It is the limbic system, one of the oldest parts of the brain, which plays an important role in all of the emotions we feel.

7/1/2008 10:22:35 AM

Beeblebrox

That's nice that you can hand pick scriptures and try to make your point without cross-referencing or looking at the bigger picture, and seeing the story for what it was meant to be.

Sauce for the goose, man. I'm surprised you didn't reference Satan quoting scripture for his own benefit.

I seriously think you are the type of person who if I were to tell you that the sky IS blue, or the grass IS green, you would find a reason to argue with the statement.

Technically neither the sky nor the grass has a color. It's only the fact that those two items reflect back light of a certain spectrum that causes them to appear to be green or blue.

That way, you have no accountability to something higher than yourself.

If I get in trouble with the cops it's not as if Jehovah's going to suddenly manifest Himself to take care of it for me. And that applies to any and every situation here on Earth. If I go in for surgery Jehovah won't be the one handling the scalpel; if I get in the tights financially He won't suddenly show up at my door with a big "Ed McMahon" check. When I screw up the people affected by my error don't blame Jehovah; they blame me.

If and/or until Jehovah directly handles my life for me He has zero claim on my time, my money, or my respect. Why? Because I'm the one who's paying the cost to be the boss.

Has science figured out the connection betwen our heart and brain and all of the emotions we feel as humans?

No, not yet. At least not entirely. However, we do know that emotion doesn't originate in the Human heart. It originates in the Human brain. A heart is a four-chambered muscle which runs on our autonomic nervous system. You'd have known that if you had taken an extra few minutes to research and think about your question.




7/1/2008 10:32:44 AM

Beeblebrox

Yahweh's Toaster

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2008-Jul-01 09:25 AM

Wasn't Moses able to look at Yahweh without dying?


Sort of. Jehovah said he would pass in front of Moses showing only his "hind parts", i.e. God's back. This was the best He could do for Moses as any mortal who looked directly at God's face would immediately die. The experience was so intense that Moses was blinded for a time and Jehovah's glory radiated from Moses' face. This radiating glow was so bright that no one could look directly at his face.

7/1/2008 10:39:02 AM

Mister Spak

" Has science figured out the connection betwen our heart and brain "

The vagus nerve discovered 100+ years ago. Try to keep up.

7/1/2008 11:02:48 AM

Blayze Kohime

"That way, you have no accountability to something higher than yourself"

I don't have to do anything for God.. and that means I will never have to kill for God, or push my beliefs on others under the threat of eternal damnation. It means I will never be required to forsake friends because they are different from me, and never be restricted in who I give my love and my kindness.
Are you ~sure~ that your 'accountable' morality is so superior to mine?

7/1/2008 1:23:58 PM

Allegory for Jesus

Okay...okay...

1. Very few people within your own faith cross-reference every passage that they cite in light of the entirety of the book that they are taken of, or the entirety of the Bible itself, while interpretting it. Just look at how the Christians foam at the mouth about the Bible condemning gays, in light of the New Testament passages that deal with being judgmental. So, yeah...I call "hypocrisy".
2. The statements "the sky is blue" or "grass is green", while they are wrong (in that the sky is not always blue, and grass not always green), are at least verifiable statements. Statements about God are not, so the comparison fails.
3. You compare God's invisiblity and intangibility to not being able to look at the sun without damaging your eyes due to its intensity. That is fail. If power=damage to eyes, and God is omnipresent and omnipotent, than he should not be invisible; we should be blinded by his radiant glory! Not to mention that he should probably be melting all of reality, if he is truly comparable a sentient mega-everywhere-star.
4. It is indeed easier to say that God does not exist, in that there is no reason to believe otherwise, and everyone who asserts that he does could similarly assert that Giant ferrets from the 9th dimension are aiming interdimensional rockets to hit our planet in the year 9984. It has about as much proof.
5. Christianity does not make one accountable in any form beyond being required to be a Christian. You can ask to be forgiven for any damn thing you do, so how exactly is that being more accountable than atheists? At least atheists know that they are responsible for their actions in respect to other human beings; something that Christians can completely bypass with their delusions of another existence.
6. Yes, science has made a good number of connections between our emotions and their source in the brain (and the heart has nothing to do with it.).
7. Man, you fail.

7/1/2008 1:51:04 PM

Aethernaut

Holy shit, somebody needs an anatomy lesson!

7/1/2008 2:52:24 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

That's nice that you can hand pick scriptures and try to make your point without cross-referencing or looking at the bigger picture, and seeing the story for what it was meant to be.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but it's not actually possible to do that, because most of the various subcomponents of the scriptures flatly contradict each other.

7/1/2008 4:50:18 PM

Grigadil

Nah, the sky and grass are both brown these days.

The heart is a pump. The brain is a pretty amazing organ, there's still a lot to learn. The emotions are a combination of instinct and hormones, augmented by learned response patterns.

7/1/2008 5:02:16 PM

SeenAndNotSeen

"Has science figured out the connection betwen our heart and brain and all of the emotions we feel as humans? "

Yes, the heart pumps oxygen-rich blood to the brain (for most people, at least). See a doctor, please.

7/1/2008 5:09:39 PM

David D.G.

"Has science figured out the connection betwen our heart and brain and all of the emotions we feel as humans?"

Stay tuned for CSI: Lost Vagus.


Seriously, I'll go ahead and give this poster the benefit of assuming that he/she was being metaphorical in reference to the heart, speaking of human personality and emotional state. And you know what? We HAVE figured out the connection between the brain and the heart in this sense, too -- it's partly physical (i.e., certain parts of the personality depending on the function of certain brain areas, which can be lost if there is physical brain damage due to, say, trauma) and partly biochemical (hasn't she ever heard of antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds?).

Come on, sunshine4ever, this isn't brain surgery. Well, at least not entirely.


~David D.G.

7/1/2008 5:36:21 PM

BlackMageJ

Well, technically, the sky isn't blue. The 'sky' is just a bunch of colourless gasses, the colour we see comes from the light refracting through the atmosphere. There isn't actually anything blue up there.

7/1/2008 6:05:06 PM
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