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(this place is an absolute goldmine of fundie quotes. And this is from one of the less fundie ones)

If you see atheism as a belief then there is a similarity as there is no proof of atheism as you cannot prove a negative, that there is no God. Atheism is a belief, an erroneous one in my estimation. I think that atheism is not motivated by reason but by a desire to escape morality.
(The old atheists are immoral/ammoral argument)

One of the problems with materialistic atheism is that it is narrow-minded and dogmatic in closing itself from knowledge that does not conform to materialism and naturalism. We are more open-minded. We accept there is knowledge derived from scientific testing and reasoning. We are entirely willing to accept material and natural causes but we admit the possibility of other ways of knowing.

As atheism operates within naturalism and entirely depends on it it cannot admit the possibility of other ways of knowing.

Roman1, Ourchristianplace 26 Comments [7/8/2008 2:57:46 PM]
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kingoftheheavies

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7/8/2008 3:01:44 PM

Lucilius

I admit the possibility of "other ways of knowing" too; I just say, "Prove it. Show some evidence, or some rational justification for accepting it as probable."

No? Then you'll believe anything, no matter how ridiculous. Oh, wait, you do.

7/8/2008 3:19:28 PM

aaa

Lolwut?

7/8/2008 3:35:43 PM

Ash

Atheism : Belief :: Not collecting stamps : Hobby

7/8/2008 3:45:50 PM

Ambrielle

Say what now?

7/8/2008 3:46:45 PM

Thundersqueaks

Can't prove god does not exist = god exists? *chuckles*

BTW. Atheism does exist. You, yourself are an atheist regarding the thousands of other deities conceived by mankind.

7/8/2008 3:53:02 PM

Grigadil

History has taught us that these "other ways of knowing" are highly unreliable, and no two oracular hallucinations on the same topic are going to jibe.

This little detail explains why there are thousands of christan churches, sects, congregations, etc., all vying for domination.

This disparity of opinion and pigheadedness among believers are sufficient reason not to believe any of the bullshit.

7/8/2008 4:07:49 PM

Mayhem

"We are more open-minded. We accept there is knowledge derived from scientific testing and reasoning. "

Please observe the "No Bull-Shitting" sign.

7/8/2008 4:16:59 PM

John_in_Oz

I'd be happy to see 'other ways of knowing' that can prove they are ways of knowing by coming to ythe same conclusion as ordinary ways of knowing.
I don't exclude the possibility that there might be other ways of knowing, but I specifically deny that making shit up is a way to know anything. Autohypnosis, believing against the evidence, Faith, prayer, spirital experiences etc. are not 'other ways of knowing', they're just mental masturbation, self deception or psychiatric illness.

7/8/2008 4:18:03 PM

Necronomikron

If you see [Insert any denial of supernatural here. Bigfoot, Loch Ness, UFOS, etc] as a belief then there is a similarity as there is no proof of [supernatural object being denied doesn't exist] as you cannot prove a negative, that there is no [Supernatural Object]. [Supernatural denial] is a belief, an erroneous one in my estimation. I think that [supernatural denial] is not motivated by reason but by a desire to escape [Spurious contention].

7/8/2008 4:30:57 PM

cool cats

No. Atheism is a lack of belief. Why can't fundies understand this?

If you need some god to keep you in line, maybe you are not a very moral person to begin with, and the atheists who need no god to tell them how to behave are much better people than you and your fundie friends.

Oh, mirror mirror!

And...

Fundies don't accept science, whenever it disagrees with the bible fundies will invariable start screaming about how the atheists are using science to disprove the bible.

7/8/2008 4:52:14 PM

Allegory for Jesus

Headdesk.
Atheism is not an assertion that there is absolutely no God. It is the assertion is that god(s) are improbable, unknowable, not worth worshipping, irrelevant, etc. etc.
Choosing to be an atheist has no more to do with a desire to be immoral than choosing to be a Christian has to do with a desire to eat unkosher foods.
Atheists also admit the possibility for something beyond the material and natural: we just have yet to see a compelling reason to 1. assume that any such things MUST exist and 2. assume that we know the exact nature of things beyond the realm of the natural.
Your other way of knowing is dogmatic minded guesswork, essentially. Hardly indicative of higher thinking.

7/8/2008 5:24:43 PM

David D.G.

"One of the problems with materialistic atheism is that it is narrow-minded and dogmatic in closing itself from knowledge that does not conform to materialism and naturalism."


[InigoMontoya]You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means.[/InigoMontoya]


~David D.G.

7/8/2008 5:34:11 PM

Horsefeathers

"If you see atheism as a belief then there is a similarity as there is no proof of atheism as you cannot prove a negative, that there is no God."

Correct, you cannot prove a universal negative such as stating, definitively, that there is not god. Fortunately, most atheists recognize this and, instead, say they see no evidence for god. Which is true; there is none. Now, there could still be a god but I find it incredibly unlikely and, if there is, it doesn't seem to much care if I believe it exists, worship it or even contemplate it.

"Atheism is a belief, an erroneous one in my estimation."

No, it's a philosophical position with regard to the existence of deities. Belief has nothing to do with it.

"I think that atheism is not motivated by reason but by a desire to escape morality."

Funny. That's how I see Christianity in particular. Christians have that whole "forgiveness" thing going for them. They can do anything they'd like without consequence from their conscience as long as they ask their invisible friend for forgiveness. Talk about an escape from morality. They've got free pass to do anything they'd like.

"One of the problems with materialistic atheism is that it is narrow-minded and dogmatic in closing itself from knowledge that does not conform to materialism and naturalism."

Because no such knowledge appears to exist in any evidenced way. Claiming god talks to you or an angel told you what heaven is like is not knowledge of anything. It's delusion or mental illness.

"We are more open-minded."

You are more gullible.

"We accept there is knowledge derived from scientific testing and reasoning. We are entirely willing to accept material and natural causes but we admit the possibility of other ways of knowing."

Other ways such as?

"As atheism operates within naturalism and entirely depends on it it cannot admit the possibility of other ways of knowing."

Fine. Provide evidence for your claim.

7/8/2008 5:39:27 PM

anonymous_troy

"as you cannot prove a negative,"

EXACTLY WHICH MEANS THE TEAPOT MUST EXIST SOMEWHERE

"We are more open-minded. We accept there is knowledge derived from scientific testing and reasoning."

You usually wait forever and ever until we revolutionize the world with an invention based on it, then you still question it.

7/8/2008 6:09:55 PM

Mister Spak

"One of the problems with materialistic atheism is that it is narrow-minded and dogmatic in closing itself from knowledge that does not conform to materialism and naturalism. "

Whereas christianism is narrow minded and dogmatic in closing itself off from knowledge that contradicts its bronze age creation myth.

"We accept there is knowledge derived from scientific testing and reasoning. We are entirely willing to accept material and natural causes . . ."

But you reject modern biology because it contradicts your bronze age creation myth.

7/8/2008 6:12:42 PM

Papabear

If us atheists have no ethics, why haven't we killed you Fundie jackasses yet?

7/8/2008 6:22:37 PM

Lucilius

@Papabear:

'Cause they've all got a stash of guns in the bunker.

7/8/2008 6:52:45 PM

tracer

"(The old atheists are immoral/ammoral argument)"


Actually, this is more of the "you're just an atheist because you want to get away with having butt sex" argument.

7/8/2008 7:20:42 PM

Old Viking

They're open-minded. Shine a penlight in one ear and the beam projects from the other.

7/8/2008 7:48:16 PM

Julia

This is a reply from the forum this quote is from.

Atheism is not a faith. It is like saying bald is a hair colour.

which sums up roughly 26% of what we're trying to cram into the tiny walnus that live inside fundies' skulls.

7/8/2008 9:52:01 PM

Jay-Sus

So much bullshit.

7/8/2008 11:17:57 PM

JESUS PLEASE COME SOON!

Right, except for the part where most atheists aren't claiming to be certain that there is no God, just professing a healthy skepticism about a higher power. Most of us are more accurately described as "agnostic atheists", meaning that we accept our own uncertainty about the universe's origins, but refuse to take a positive position about anything until we've seen evidence for its existence.

Atheism is not a faith. It is like saying bald is a hair colour.

Indeed.

7/8/2008 11:43:04 PM

crazyroper

And exactly what are these other ways of "knowing"?

I have a feeling that you're going to steal from naturalism.

7/9/2008 3:58:08 AM

anon

'We are more open-minded. We accept there is knowledge derived from scientific testing and reasoning. We are entirely willing to accept material and natural causes but we admit the possibility of other ways of knowing.'

Oh really? Then why do fundies:

Want to force students into school prayer?
Want to ban scientifically-based evolution in favor of Bible-based creationism/ID?
Want to force women to become baby machines by preventing them from having access to contraception or abortion, even in cases of rape/incest?
Want to scrap the U.S. Constitution in favor of so-called 'Biblical' law?
Want to make public displays of religion in government buildings (eg. Roy Moore's 10 Commandments rock) mandatory?
Want to force homosexuals to either 'convert' or be forced into internment camps?
Want to ban the sale of alcoholic beverages?
Want to strip children of their rights to be protected from physical harm & give parents/pastors/teachers ABSOLUTE authority to use corporal punishment when it suits them?
Want children to become nothing more than mindless robots, deferring only to parental/authotitarian demands?

Fundies most certainly ARE NOT more open-minded.

7/27/2008 4:37:49 PM
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