I think it is time that we question these people that want to do away with our rights to the pledge, prayer in schools, In God we trust, and our constitution. Any talk about there being removed from the American culture, should be grounds for a prison term. Freedom of speach should have it's limits.
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No, freedom of speech shouldn't have it's limits, otherwise it wouldn't be freedom of speech, and while we at it, fuck you you fascist superstitious uninformed pig.
Culture?
MY culture questions God, and according to the constitution, the USA, being a secular democracy, cannot insult our beliefs by saying Americans trust God, or by making Americans pledge to a nation 'under God'
It wasn't like that originally, you broke it, now you have to put it back.
Fixed.
I do not care for the pledge, I haven't since I was 10 and saw Hitler youth pledging to their Fatherland in a Nazi propaganda film. I see it as showy and unnecessary like the Pharisee shouting his prayers in the Temple. Prayer in schools is NOT OUTLAWED, organized prayer is. I could care less about "In God we Trust" on our currency, we survived our first 80 years as a country without it. Our constitution is a different story however, I will defend it to the death.. from un-American assholes like you, Jimmy. Every single statement you have made in your post shows that you have never even READ IT and have no idea what it says.
Freedom of speach should have it's limits.
Damn right! We should change the First Amendment to read
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of any religion but MINE, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press unless the right-wing loonies like ME who make up less than a quarter of the country disagree with it; ..."
The first step, Jim, is to learn how to write correctly in English, which is probably your native tongue. Then you can start ranting about freedom of "speach." You won't be any less of an asshole, but you won't look quite so ignant.
"I think it is time that we question these people that want to do away with our rights to the pledge, prayer in schools, In God we trust, and our constitution."
Of those things you only have a right to the Constitution. Possibly the pledge could be seen as a freedom of speech issue though.
Prayer in schools is still legal you know. The teacher simply cannot lead the prayer or force students to participate. Students themselves can pray to any imaginary friend they want to as long as it's not disruptive I would assume.
In God We Trust is entirely illegal and should be removed.
"Any talk about there being removed from the American culture, should be grounds for a prison term."
All hail Dictator Jim!
"Freedom of speach should have it's limits."
It does. Like, for instance, I can't say you're a baby killing, flesh eating, corpse loving jackass without some sort of evidence that it's true, else you could sue me. I couldn't publish classified documents online and then claim "freedom of speech!" either. Make sense yet?
Except we aren't supporting any but the third one... maybe. We want the pledge restored to its original wording. The Constitution already has no mention of your god, or any other for that matter. And as long as it's not school supported prayer in class or school sponsored activity, I don't care about prayer in school. Students can wiggle their arms and speak tongues all they want during recess or lunch.
In God we trust was added to money in the 50's as an anti-communist thing. I think it's pointless and stupid to label your money as god, but as long as we're a capitalist society, I think it's somewhat appropriate.
Freedom of Speech does have it's limits: libel and slander are NOT protected.
However, according to the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, Congress shall make no law that either respects or prohibits the practice of any 1 religion. Therefore, "under God" does not belong in pledge, and a teacher in a public school who leads who students in prayer rather than offer a moment of silence for students to pray to whatever version of God or deity they worship (if they do).
In God we trust, and our constitution. Any talk about there being removed from the American culture, should be grounds for a prison term.
Um, you just talked about their being removed from American culture. Guess it's the big house for you.
This is why it's impractical and, frankly, insane to forbid the mere mentioning of a concept.
It does have it's limits, you're not allowed to yell Fire! in a crowded movie theater, or joke about bombs in an airport, or force people to convert to your religion.
Beyond that you pretty much have to accept that not everyone's going to say what you want to hear.
If freedom of speech should have its limits, shouldn't freedom of religion have its limits too?
You have every right to pledge whatever you want as long as you don't disturb others with your pledging. Kids in school can pray to their hearts' content, as long as they don't disturb the class. You may trust in whatever gods you want, and all the above is in accordance with your Constitution.
Is it in accordance with the American culture to have such a poor grasp of the English language? Perhaps a crime against linguistics ought to be grounds for a prison term too?
Wy is it OUR freedom of speech you want to limit, but you get hysterical if you think that YOUR freedom is infringed upon? There, that's another example of Christians not knowing the extent of their legitimate influence. You can praise god and pray all evening, all night, and for the entire weekend. That's fine. But you can't force others to do the same. They have the same right to determine ter beliefs as you do, so that's why Christianity shouldn't try to take over a PUBLIC function.
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