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Dinosaur bones are the result of Noah's flood

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Jakesmith1995: "Can somebody please explain dinosaur bones to me? Please?"

REPLY: Here are a few facts we need to bring to bear in answering your question, Jakesmith1995:

1. The meaning of 'dinosaur', which I think is derived from the Greek or Roman for 'terrible lizard'

2. Using that definition, it could be argued that some dinosaurs exist today e.g. the iguana or the komodo dragon

3. How do you get dinosaur bones? Only if a dinosaur, or parts of a dinosaur, have been buried instantaneously, or near instantaneously

4. How come huge dinosaurs like Tyrannosaurus Rex, over 60 feet tall, have been buried? How come, in addition, we find massive 'dinosaur graveyards' - fossils of hundred of dinosaurs buried and crushed, all close together, and availabe for us to see today as fossils? There is really only one answer. A massive Flood-type event. Noah's Flood fits the evidence perfectly

5. All radiometric dating other than carbon dating is pseudo-science, based on up to 14 unprovable assumptions, and full of the most massive contradictions. Carbon-dating is only reasonably reliable up to around 5,000 years ago. There is no basis for dating dinosaur bones at any older than 5,000 years

6. On top of all that, DNA has been found in dinosaur bones. I hardly think DNA could have survived 145 million years.

CONCLUSION

Dinosaur bones are the result of Noah's flood.

Dinosaur footprints appear in zones of sedimentary rock which suggest that they were running fast trying to escape the rising floodwaters of Noah's Flood. They were running in a medium approximating to setting concrete, hence their preservation for us to view today.

If this does not answer your question, please post again

48 comments

old comment by Osiris

1. The meaning of 'dinosaur', which I think is derived from the Greek or Roman for 'terrible lizard'
Correct, but dinosaurs are morphologically more similar to birds then lizards.

2. Using that definition, it could be argued that some dinosaurs exist today e.g. the iguana or the komodo dragon
Dinosaurs do exist today....as birds. Iguana and komodo dragons are not related to dinosaurs other then they're being reptiles, but that doesn't mean that a grizzly bear and a deer can be considered mammoths just because they are all mammals.

3. How do you get dinosaur bones? Only if a dinosaur, or parts of a dinosaur, have been buried instantaneously, or near instantaneously
Like a flash flood. Like one of the millions of ones that occur every year.

4. How come huge dinosaurs like Tyrannosaurus Rex, over 60 feet tall, have been buried? How come, in addition, we find massive 'dinosaur graveyards' - fossils of hundred of dinosaurs buried and crushed, all close together, and availabe for us to see today as fossils? There is really only one answer. A massive Flood-type event. Noah's Flood fits the evidence perfectly
Because a T-Rex doesn't die standing up. Also what you're thinking of are stuff like tar pits, where a dinosaur gets trapped in it trying to get water and dies, and then it's rotting body attracts a whole slew of predators who think they're in for a free meal but instead are in a death trap. If that doesn't convince you here's some things to think about.
Why are there usually inordinate amounts of carnivorous dinosaurs in these "mass graves"?
Why don't we find any mammoths or humans or dimetradons in these graves?
How come the tar pits in LA have the exact same thing only here you find mammoths and simledons and giant sloths and no dinosaurs or humans mixed into it?
Why are there never marine animals mixed in here if there was a global flood?

5. All radiometric dating other than carbon dating is pseudo-science, based on up to 14 unprovable assumptions, and full of the most massive contradictions. Carbon-dating is only reasonably reliable up to around 5,000 years ago. There is no basis for dating dinosaur bones at any older than 5,000 years
Wrong. Radio-isotope dating is based on half-lifes, the amount of time it takes for half of a radioactive isotope to decay, which is calculated via simple math. There is nothing wrong with radio-isotope dating and you seem to miss the fact that there are dozens of isotopes that go back millions, and some go back billions of years. Hell uranium has a half-life of nearly four billion years. Put that in your YEC pipe and smoke it.
Lastly carbon dating is reliable up to about 15,000 years ago, but since your world view won't allow for numbers like that you will probably disregard the cave paintings found in France that are nearly 10,000 years old.

6. On top of all that, DNA has been found in dinosaur bones. I hardly think DNA could have survived 145 million years.
Wrong. Very badly preserved T-Rex DNA was found in an almost completely fossilized part of the bone that would have been utterly indistinguishable from the rest of the bone unless you were a paleontologist who looks at bones all day.

old comment by John

1. The meaning of 'dinosaur', which I think is derived from the Greek or Roman for 'terrible lizard'

2. Using that definition, it could be argued that some dinosaurs exist today e.g. the iguana or the komodo dragon

Dinosaurs aren't lizards. They're distantly related to crocodiles.

3. How do you get dinosaur bones? Only if a dinosaur, or parts of a dinosaur, have been buried instantaneously, or near instantaneously.

Not necessarily. But so what?

4. How come huge dinosaurs like Tyrannosaurus Rex, over 60 feet tall, have been buried? How come, in addition, we find massive 'dinosaur graveyards' - fossils of hundred of dinosaurs buried and crushed, all close together, and availabe for us to see today as fossils? There is really only one answer. A massive Flood-type event. Noah's Flood fits the evidence perfectly.

So does any other flood, of which there are dozens a year. Go visit Iowa.

5. All radiometric dating other than carbon dating is pseudo-science, based on up to 14 unprovable assumptions, and full of the most massive contradictions. Carbon-dating is only reasonably reliable up to around 5,000 years ago. There is no basis for dating dinosaur bones at any older than 5,000 years.

Dinosaur bones aren't dated with carbon. "The sun will rise tomorrow" and "the chair your sitting on will continue to exist under your butt" are unprovable assumptions. How silly do you want to get with "unprovable assumptions"?

6. On top of all that, DNA has been found in dinosaur bones. I hardly think DNA could have survived 145 million years.

No it hasn't.

old comment by Beeblebrox

5. All radiometric dating other than carbon dating is pseudo-science, based on up to 14 unprovable assumptions, and full of the most massive contradictions.

And yet the very same science was used to develop, construct, and detonate 2 atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact that very same science is still being used to construct new nuclear weapons and nuclear reactors. Let's not forget also that the science used to develop radiometric dating is also part and parcel of such useful items as particle accelerators.

Based on those facts there are two options.

1. Scientists have gotten it right in all areas except the ones dealing with your religious beliefs.

or

2. Scientists have gotten it right in all areas, but your beliefs are so threatened by this that you are forced to deny that it is true.

Now...has anyone seen my razor? It's shiny silver and has the word "Occam" etched on it.

old comment by Mister Spak

"If this does not answer your question, please post again"

Ok, I have more questions.

"4. How come huge dinosaurs like Tyrannosaurus Rex, over 60 feet tall, have been buried? How come, in addition, we find massive 'dinosaur graveyards' - fossils of hundred of dinosaurs buried and crushed, all close together, and availabe for us to see today as fossils? There is really only one answer. A massive Flood-type event. Noah's Flood fits the evidence perfectly "

Except for local floods that happen all the time and bury animals all the time. Why do you feel the need to lie about this?

"5. All radiometric dating other than carbon dating is pseudo-science, based on up to 14 unprovable assumptions, and full of the most massive contradictions. Carbon-dating is only reasonably reliable up to around 5,000 years ago. There is no basis for dating dinosaur bones at any older than 5,000 years "

Carbon dating goes back 20,000 years, and radioactive dating is based on the same theory that was used to design the chips in the comuter you posted this on, therefore your statement is based on pseudo information. Why do you feel the need to lie when talking about this?

"6. On top of all that, DNA has been found in dinosaur bones. I hardly think DNA could have survived 145 million years."

You are quite right, but since dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago it doesn't matter. Why do you feel the need to lie about this?

old comment by anonymous_troy

"The meaning of 'dinosaur'"

has been changed from the original Greek / Roman to mean "A reptile / bird ancestor that lived in the Jurassic, Cretaceous, and Triassic periods until about 65 million years ago" Lizards don't count.

"Using that definition, it could be argued that some dinosaurs exist today e.g. the iguana or the komodo dragon"

No, because dinosaur doesn't mean lizard anymore. We use it to refer to the ancestors of modern birds, and calling lizards dinosaurs simply confuses the English language.

"On top of all that, DNA has been found in dinosaur bones."

No... One of the reasons we haven't been able to recreate dinosaurs today is that the DNA has decayed... Indicating they died over 65 million years ago.

old comment by Paler_Face

1. Yes.
2. No. Science has revealed that dinosaurs have more in common with modern birds than with modern lizards.
3. Like flash floods, tar pits, swamps, etc.
4. No. It might not have occurred to you that there could have been more than 1 catastrophy in the past. Some are merely local events, but serious enough to bury a few dinosaurs whole, including T-rex.
Also, not all fossils are complete, and often only a fragment is preserved as a fossil.
5. Which is why it isn't used on fossils. C-14 dating is used on organic materials to determin how long ago the organism it once belonged to died.
Fossils are dated using a variety of other radio-metric dating techniques.
6. No, it hasn't. Lying for your faith just makes it more of a lie.

Having corrected your points as needed, I think your conclusion is in need of a revision.