So are you saying that it is okay to take the pill just because you think there is a chance the fertilized egg won't get implanted anyway?
Let's say your fertilized egg will not get implanted even if you're not on the pill; that is God's doing, not yours. So let God do His work or let God allow what will happen without you interfering.
Wouldn't you rather let God do His work instead of you actually causing the fertilized egg not to implant therefore causing an abortion?
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instead of you actually causing the fertilized egg not to implant therefore causing an abortion?
So....I guess masturbation and menstruation are sins, correct?
The pill does not prevent fertilization of a viable sperm/egg joining. Ovulation is prevented.
If it is God's will, then he is responsible for spontaneous natural abortions, thus murdering millions of fetuses and potential fetuses EVERY DAY. What a bastard.
At least now we know God is unable to oral contraceptives, or condoms. Makes you wonder what the final battle weapons will look like....
Final score.
Contraceptives 1 God 0.
It's this kind of "God will take care of everything" attitude that makes me wonder why they don't just spend their lives standing in the middle of an empty field, waiting for Jesus to provide them with food, drink, and a morally acceptable method of expelling bodily waste via miracle rather than muddying themselves with such things as taking care of themselves in a manner that might make the angels weep. Your filthy and obscene methods of circumventing the natural and God-bestowed laws of starvation, dehydration, and disease will make the Heavens rage! Wake up America!one1on!!eone!!
I'll filk Derwish's Cannot stop the spring:
You might have made the planet
gave each man his place and soul
You might have used tech and logic
but so often missed your goal
you might have made the human
having their own will
but you can't stop the pill!
(if this gives the imnpression, that I believe in God, no I don't. God is a construct like a variable in a programming language)
#623422, yes, it is a real word, not a fundie word.
I get the idea that technically, yes, if the pill fails at BOTH preventing ovulation AND allowing sperm through (since it thickens cervical mucous), the third way it works is by technically not allowing it to implant, but it ESSENTIALLY NEVER GETS TO THAT POINT. And even if it did- it's not a person, it's a ball of cells. It's less advanced and has fewer cells and is no more a "human" than a nematode.
GOOD GOD THINK OF THE NEMATODES. GET PETA AND PRESIDENT BUSH ON THE NEMATODE-SAVING COMMITTEE STAT. NEMATODE LIBERATION FRONT!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caenorhabditis_elegans
MY GOD WON'T YOU SAVE THEM.
"So let God do His work or let God allow what will happen without you interfering.
Wouldn't you rather let God do His work instead of you actually causing the fertilized egg not to implant therefore causing an abortion?"
How does a pill thwart the will of an omnipotent god?
If God can get around abstinence, shouldn't he be able to get around the pill?
And who's to say that women taking birth control isn't God's will, huh? Huh???
Really a human pill can trump God's will?
In fact abortion can trump it too?
If God is really omnipotent then every time a woman decided to take a pill and it stopped her from getting pregnant or a pregnant decided to have an abortion it was God's will that the baby would never be born. Otherwise God would've made the pill and the abortion fail if he really exists and is omnipotent.
Next time you get a nasty infection, why don't you tell that unholy doctor to go away with his godless antibiotics, and just let God do his work? You can swell up with holy pus until you expire in the odor of sanctity.
No, I wouldn't. I'd rather prevent an egg from fertilizing (how on Earth is that an abortion? I thought something had to become a fetus before you could abort it!) and not have unwanted, unnecessary children.
But why take the chance that it *will* implant, when you don't want to be pregnant?
BTW, it can't be an "abortion" if it never implanted in the first place -- nothing there to abort.
If you get sick or come down with a disease in the future, are you going to just let god do his work and allow it to happen to yourself without interfering?
Also, go actually learn about the pill and lookup the work "abortion" in a dictionary.
If the sperm never gets into the egg in the first place.. there's no abortion.
Oh, but don't you know? When you have a period, you should instantly get knocked up! Otherwise, all those unfertilized eggs will be a aborted!
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Actually no, I'm saying it's okay because it's MY FUCKING BODY and I'll decide how many children I give birth to. Not my husband, and certainly not you or your church. Deal with it and shut up already. Mind your goddamn business.
Oh for fucks sake... not this "teh ebbil pill abortz baybeez!" argument again. It's stupid, fallacious and completely wrong . If a woman is on the BC pill, what it does is prevent the uterine lining from thickening, represses ovulation and increases cervical mucous - having the triple purpose of regulating the cycle, preventing heavy bleeding during periods, and preventing pregnancy. If on the off chance an egg does develop and becomes fertilized it cannot stick to the uterine wall and thus does not develop into one of your precious fetuses.
It is a microscopic clump of cells that is as insentient as the bacteria in your trash can. It is flushed out with the period, without fanfare and without either party knowing. A sperm and an egg separately are not a "potential life" but as soon as they come together, they are? Sorry, not buying that at all. It is not a life in the barest definition of the term, and since 80% of fertilized eggs (in women who aren't on BC) don't implant anyway, entirely naturally, then that makes nature the biggest abortionist of all.
@ #623422:
Yes, "abortifacient" is a real word. It simply means something--usually a drug--that causes an abortion. Whether you think that BC pills or the "morning after pill" are abortifacients obviously depends on your point of view, as this thread demonstrates. (I don't, just to clear that up.)
And I think that the term you are looking for is "dilation & extraction." (Dilution is something else.) And yes, the fundies call it "partial-birth abortion." No matter what you call it, it is hard to "pretty it up." I'm pro-choice, and while I wouldn't want the procedure banned, I find its use as a late term abortion reprehensible. By late term, I mean 8 or 9 months when the fetus is clearly able to survive outside the mother. In the case of a dead fetus, or one that is so damaged that it is not going to survive (anencephaly being one situation that comes to mind),it may be the best choice.
'Wouldn't you rather let God do His work instead of you actually causing the fertilized egg not to implant therefore causing an abortion?'
This is the REAL world, dipshit, not the fundy world. And the pill ISN'T abortion, it's non-conception. But of course fundies are against that too, because that gives women POWER over their own bodies, and fundies just can't stand that - they want to CONTROL women & girls!
An average woman may shed many fertilized eggs over a lifetime. These *cell clusters* never implanted and were flushed during menses. Whether a woman is on "The Pill" or not makes absolutely no difference - especially given that birth control pills stop ovulation, and have nothing whatsoever to do with implantation.
This nonsense about how life begins at conception, as opposed to implantation or quickening or at some other time in the pregnancy, would be funny if not for the gaggle of idiots trying to pass laws around their false assumptions.
You stupid ass.
Following your logic, God made me do it, therefore is God's will. And anyway, couldn't God make it fertilise anyway?(without even fertilisation of a sperm, for example?). Or what the hell!, why doesn't he thwart the pill and ovulation occurs anyway?. The old cannard "the pill is an abortifacient" comes from two facts:
a)It's confused with the morning pill.
b)Some(not all)pills have a concentration of hormones that, not only prevent ovulation, but also segregate another one that makes a thick layer of mucus that prevents sperm from joining the egg if the first measure fails. This layer MAY or may not irritate the womb and prevent implantation but, again, it's a side effect, not the objective.
Following your logic, if you take the pill and the fertilised egg fails to implant is also God's will, don't you think?
Confused?
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