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#597617
Mister Spak
I have never met a true theist. To me, to be a theist you would have to have PROOF of the existence of God. Since you cannot prove it, therefore, there is no such thing as an theist. That would move them into the delusional category.
Fixed.
7/21/2008 1:11:38 PM
#597651
El Guapo
I can't "prove" the non-existence of God. You can't "prove" the non-existence of atheists.
Are we at an impasse?
Not really. A negative cannot be empirically verified, simply because it would require that all possible observations had been made. This is Hume's problem of induction. However, statements can be assessed by two other criteria (see Karl Popper, 1956): falsification and corroboration. A negative can be falsified by a single positive observation. On the other hand, if many opportunities to make a positive observation have occurred without a single positive observation, this increases the corroboration of a hypothesis.
If you say there is no such thing as an atheist, I can falsify that easily by observing just one...there are in fact many, and so your statement is both falsified and retarded. On the other hand, no one has ever observed god, which corroborates the statement that he does not exist. This is not verification, but as good as you can get with a negative statement.
No that we have gotten that out of the way, I will have a Chicken Fiesta burrito, two crunchy tacos, and three packets of your "fire" sauces.
7/21/2008 1:58:28 PM
#597721
anevilmeme
Don't they have dictionaries in fundiland?
7/21/2008 3:06:15 PM
#597881
Amos
What's this strange feeling? Am I becoming transparent?
My nonexistent God! I'm being defined out of existence!
7/21/2008 4:58:56 PM
#598020
Beeblebrox
To me, to be an atheist you would have to have PROOF of the non-existence of God.
Are you truly so clueless? All that's required to be an atheist is to observe the lack of evidence of the existence of a deity. You theists started this game by claiming that a deity does exist and that you are intimately acquainted with his wishes and desires. So, since you claim there is a deity the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence of its existence.
7/21/2008 7:26:49 PM
#598028
AL
"I have never met a true agnostic. To me, to be an agnostic you would have to have PROOF of the non-existence of atheist and theist proofs. Since you cannot prove it, therefore, there is no such thing as an agnostic. That would move them into the meta-agnostic (aka "agnostic about agnosticism") category."
Hey, this is fun.
7/21/2008 7:34:23 PM
#598197
Marc
Born again christians spell it "athiest".
7/21/2008 10:40:11 PM
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7/21/2008 11:57:19 PM
#598268
Annick
Then in order to be a theist, you have to PROVE that there is a god ?
....I'm waiting...
7/22/2008 12:56:54 AM
#598278
reasonforexistence
Nobody can prove that God does or doesn't exist. You can only have faith. You're basically saying there's no such thing as Christians (or any other religion) either, since they can't prove God exists also. Therefore, that would make everyone on the planet agnostic, and religion nonexistent. Therefore you defeat the purpose in even calling yourself agnostic since religion wouldn't exist.
You fail.
7/22/2008 1:05:32 AM
#598390
D-OveRMinD
Theoretically, he's right in some ways. Religion is a belief system. If you believe in God, then you are a Christian of some sort. If you believe there is no god at all, you are an Atheist. If you acknowledge there is no proof either way, that there might be or there might not be, you just really don't care either way, then you are agnostic.
7/22/2008 3:39:40 AM
#598586
Jay-Sus
Burden of proof mother fucker. Yours, not ours.
7/22/2008 9:32:31 AM
#598647
Mick DH
I actually submitted this quote before it got best answer. I only just found out now that it was chosen by the asker.
7/22/2008 12:28:34 PM
#598654
buhjones
Guess what buddy....there IS undeniable proof of the ultimate NON-existence of god.
The bablefish.
goes a bit like this.
"I refuse to prove that I exist" says god
"For proof removes faith and without faith I am nothing.
"BUT" says man
"The babelfish is a dead givaway isnt it?"
and god instantly dissapears in a puff of logic.
THEREFORE - GOD DOES NOT EXIST
amen the end
Boom Shankar
7/22/2008 12:37:08 PM
#598925
Lulzmonger
Burden of proof..
It's yours!
7/22/2008 7:28:33 PM
#598999
Brenz
And I'm sure you believe you can prove God exists, thereby making you a "true" Christian.
It's a matter of faith for you, it's a matter of lack of faith for them. That's all. You can't redefine someone out of existence in some weird schoolyard game.
7/22/2008 8:38:27 PM
#599023
mike-mike
And we believers can't proove he exits. BTW, I hate gawd!!!
7/22/2008 8:51:34 PM
#600630
tmr
One does not need to prove something he or she does not believe in. Get over your god, he's just not that important to those who do not believe in him.
7/24/2008 1:01:55 AM
#601715
Nutz
logically that moves all religious people to also be agnostic since they are similarly burdened with a lack of proof.
7/25/2008 9:17:07 AM
#602220
apYrs
one can't prove a negative in a finite time:
I am theoretically an agnostic, but for practical purposes, atheist. I can't accedpt a god so small as the Xian, muslim, or jewish one.
I can understand Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva as elements in the lifecycle of everything, but they're still human built.
7/25/2008 11:55:06 PM
#602221
apYrs
one can't prove a negative in a finite time:
I am theoretically an agnostic, but for practical purposes, atheist. I can't even discuss a god so small as the Xian, muslim, or jewish one.
I can understand Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva as elements in the lifecycle of everything, but they're still human built.
7/25/2008 11:55:07 PM
#602242
Nirjuana
Burden of proof disagrees with your statement
7/26/2008 12:08:13 AM
#602969
Dr. Gus
Proof? OK, hey you almighty Yahveh, smiter of sinners and whatever, you have 10 seconds to smite me with a lightning bolt and make the Earth open up and swallow me whole and send me to hell (and that fundie-beloved lake of fire)..1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9..10..... hello? anybody there? no? ok
There's your proof, have a nice day.
7/27/2008 7:47:21 AM
#603038
Michael
Never met a true atheist? Don't get around much out of your own insulated clique, do you.
I always find it depressingly boring to hear such negative rhetoric from those who don't want to understand.
Let's have some positive proof from you without referring to what you call a bible, as this collect of babylonian novella bears no resemblence to the origin texts.
7/27/2008 11:56:24 AM
#603514
Leon Trotsky
I have never met a true aatheist. To me, to be an aatheist you would have to have PROOF of the non-existence of the proof of the non-existence of god. Since you cannot prove it, therefore, there is no such thing as an aatheist. That would move them into the agnostic category.
7/28/2008 11:55:17 AM
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