when man sinned(free will) everything changed.. also, you assume that dying and suffering are bad..... and actually yes, free will did cause HIV....
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"also, you assume that dying and suffering are bad."
because God did it, right? God can't do anything evil, even if the action he does is evil, like killing millions of innocents in a giant worldwide flood... And they claim we're the moral relativists.
Either that, or "Because they'll go to hebbin if they believed in Jebbus"?
I seriously don't get how people suffering and dieing can be good.
OK. So I've got fantastic friends who are Christians. I mean the "fantastic" part, they're great, caring, wonderful people. But I have to say that there's nothing that annoys me more than Christians talking about their Free Will fantasy. It's ridiculous and frankly a bit scary how far some will go to absolve their god(s) (or cult idol) of any and all blame for His or Her actions.
If I bred a new dog breed to be as aggressive to other dogs as possible, and I sold one of these Dogkiller pups, could I sit back and feign surprise when they came to me with accusations after their dog killed and ate a poodle?
Not my fault. The dog has free will. Would you rather it was a robot?
Not my fault. You, the owners, have free will and should've taken better care of your dog.
Not my fault. And even if it was, hey, there's supposed to be challenges to dog-keeping.
Now my fault. And hey, making the dog perfect would make it easy for you to believe I was good at breeding dogs, and I wouldn't want that, would I?
Seriously, sometimes I wonder if they can hear themselves.
Y'know, it just popped into my head that Adam and Eve DIDN'T have "free will" before they ate the fruit.
God told them not to touch it, and they blindly obeyed until the snake told Eve to eat it, and she again did as she was told.
Not that it's any less of a fictional tale, but still... God apparently did NOT intend us to think for ourselves, and was obviously powerless to prevent it. :-P
So, we have free will and God is NOT in control of everything?
And NOT omniscient? He should have seen that coming.
Explain yourself.
Confused?
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