(about water on mars)
Gotta ask yourself just why are we doing all this? I'm sure somebody out here will readily slam me, but the overall effort here has done little more than justify a lot of hi-engineering and science degrees. The Shuttle has been proven to have had little practical purpose considering the cost and effort. We're getting into areas now (personally don't think we're supposed to be) where I think you can be assured somebody? is going to hold up as the 'smoking gun' which we are starting to see and THEY'RE going to know the mystery of God! See where it's going?
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Uh, no, I don't see where it's going. What the hell are you babbling about, and what happened to art for art's sake?
"See where it's going?"
Uhhhhm...
"I think you can be assured somebody? is going to hold up as the 'smoking gun' which we are starting to see and THEY'RE going to know the mystery of God!"
No. In fact, I'm not quite sure where it started.
I can see where this one's going, wearing a straitjacket accompanied by 2 burly gentlemen in white coats.
No ponder this. One of the 6718 gods that man has invented over the last 11 millenia gave us a brain, and it strikes me that not to use this "god-given" item is the greatest insult you can possibly give. So try using it in future.
RUPTURE READY speaks again!
So God, heaven, hell etc don't exist in other dimensional, spiritual planes but they physically exist in are own dimension/universe?
I honestly didn't realise Christians believed that. I always though God, heaven etc were supposed to exist outside the normal, physical reality, hence why we can't see them with our most powerful telescopes etc.
The Shuttle has been proven to have had little practical purpose considering the cost and effort.
Except for providing us with flight data so we can improve the next generation of manned space craft. And all those satellites it deployed. And ferrying up components for the Inernational Space Station.
"So God, heaven, hell etc don't exist in other dimensional, spiritual planes but they physically exist in are own dimension/universe?"
There are Christians who believed that in the past and they were burned as heretics. Like Giordano(sp?) Bruno.
Fundie: You fail at grammar!
"I'm sure somebody out here will readily slam me...."
Your wish has been granted.
No you fucking asshole NASA does not exist to justify hi-engineering (whatever the hell you mean by that) and science degrees. Science is our species method of survival, it is our only method of survival. Not some non-existent imaginary friend left over from the bronze age, but science and technology.
"The Shuttle has been proven to have had little practical purpose considering the cost and effort"
This dude is seriously ignorant of reality.
In his world, all those weather satellites that have saved so many thousands of lives and billions of dollars in property are 'not practical'? Presumably because you don't need to know what the weather coming at you will be, when you can always ask God to change it to what you want.
Broadband internet satellites, Cell phone satellietes, crop monitoring, climate research, resources satellites, national security satellites, Global Positioning Satellites, utterly impractical. They only make humanity wealthier, better informed and happier, saving lives and property. No-one has ever gone to church as a result of satellites.
People who would "rather give the money to the poor" may as well crack open their monopoly boxes and give them that money. Because cash is meaningless unless it is backed by real goods and services. The U.S.'s investment in space science has developed industries that have returned three times as much in taxes as was spent on space research.
If you google nasa spin-offs, you will see that Nasa is very conservative in claiming their benefits: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/technologies/spinoffs.html You'll still be blown away by the practical benefits NASA has created.
There are people with less conservative accounting who claim the benefit is vastly greater than that which I claim.
As an aside, we can pursue the war on hunger and the development of space simultaneously even if there were no spin-offs and paybacks. They use different resources. After all, as Pournell (I think) asked: "How many tons of liquid oxygen can the hungry use?"
It's true that we're not getting much back from the shuttle, other areas of space research are giving us more bang for the buck.
This is however only because manned flight is still in it's infancy and will be for awhile yet. Gene Rodenberry's world is far away yet but I hope we get there
According to the bible, a couple of hundred tribes men could build a tower big enough to reach heaven. Remember the tower of babel?
I think we've gone way past where towers can reach. We have probes that have left the solar system, I'm not sure if they're still in contact with said probe, but if it hasn't reached heaven yet, I doubt it will. Hubble telescope able to see vast distances because of the lack of atmosphere, again no heaven.
So where exactly is heaven? Anyway, if said scientists found proof of God, it would make all the atheists convert. We could also get his attention and maybe get him to clean up some of this shit.
Should try Zen Buddhism, so far there hasn't been one scientific discovery that can shake me.
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