[Re: a young girl being required to wear dresses at a school]
If you have a problem with your girl wearing a dress every day to school, and this issue alone is influential enough to sway your consideration,then don't send her there - plain and simple.
Honestly, why are present day female Christians equating dresses and skirts for women as legalistic? Has it ever occurred to anyone that perhaps some of these churches and church-based schools are trying to prevent the ravages of moderism as much as possible? That possibly they are trying to retain femininity for girls and women wherever they can? Call me old fashioned, but there is something about a dress on a woman that makes her look FEMININE - and more attractive to MEN. Trousers on women are not as feminine - nor are they as attractive.
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I, for one, find 'trousers' on women to be very attractive. But then again, I like a girl who I can play D&D with.
Humm, strange logic you use there. Surely if skirts and dresses make women look more feminine and therefore more desirable to men, then 'ravages of modernism' become even greater and as the boys of the school find the girls more attractive?
Am I missing something here?
Why are you so concerned about the clothes children wear?
"Call me old fashioned, but there is something about a dress on a woman that makes her look FEMININE - and more attractive to MEN."
So you want schoolgirls wearing dresses because it makes them more attractive?
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Just take a seat over there.
"Call me old fashioned"
Deal.
"Trousers on women are not as feminine - nor are they as attractive."
So...is it the women themselves that you are attracted to, or their dresses? Honestly, this kind of hangup is just a wee bit ridiculous.
"Call me old fashioned, but there is something about a dress on a woman that makes her look FEMININE - and more attractive to MEN. Trousers on women are not as feminine - nor are they as attractive."
In that case, shouldn't women wear pants more often, to prevent men from looking at them "lustfully" and causing men to "stumble," according to FundieLogic? Because last time I checked, FundieGod said that thinking about a thing was morally-equivalent to doing that thing, so lustful thoughts = adultery. Jaybird should be GLAD that women are wearing "unattractive" trousers, and protecting men from sin.
Even for an adult, rather than a child... what kind of Good Christian Woman wants to be attractive to random men on the street? Isn't the point supposed to be *modesty*? Trying to look pretty isn't exactly modest. Funny how both men and women of this persuasion (and it's often *women* fussing about modest and feminine dress) forget the part of the definition of modesty that involves not attracting attention to oneself.
So really, if pants make a woman less attractive, shouldn't Jaybird be thanking her for not trying to stir anything in him, since he isn't her husband and that would obviously be improper?
Edit: And I've evidently stolen tigerdreams' brain cell.
Easier to climb a tree, ride a bike, jump rope, tussle in the playground etc. in trousers. Little girls don't need to be showing off underwear. And if you think girls should just sit still and look pretty for you.....FU
How dare a woman or girl leave the house without considering how the men she encounters will view her! It's just so unseemly!
Egad, you are full of shit, Jaybird. Is anyone trying to force YOU to adopt strict rules of what you can and cannot wear in accordance to some narrow definition of your gender?
I think the answer to that would be a resounding NO.
As usual, the privileged male fundie asshole can't see past the end of his nose. What the fuck does what school-age girls wear have to do with you anyway? They aren't there to please you, you fucking pervert.
Go and take a seat in the corner... right over there...
I am heartened by the fact that while they are not calling Jaybird out on his bullshit, mostly everyone on that thread is rubbishing the idea of girls being forced to wear skirts/dresses all the damn time with no other options.
"...there is something about a dress on a woman that makes her look FEMININE - and more attractive to MEN. ..."
Maybe because it's much easier to have sex in public places (like in the school's stairwells or in the stands at the football game) if the woman is wearing a skirt that merely needs to be hiked up a bit instead of trousers that must be removed. Not that I'm speaking from personal experience or anything ;-)
both men and women wore robes in biblical times. iirc, the priests had some type of loose trousers so he wouldn't inadvertently moon his congregation climbing up to the altar. Not sure about that one. Everybody else didn't wear undies.
Actually, trousers/slacks/pants/what-have-you for women have a pretty ancient pedigree. In the Near East, they were first developed by Semiramis of...was she queen of the Hittites or Assyrians?
On the other hand, if Jaybird is into the usual slanders about her relationship with her son Nimrod, this may be even more reason to keen against...
Moderism isn't a word. Modernism, yes.
Spelling bitching aside... um. Well, this one's new. Isn't the clamour usually for women to be in dresses because less shows and therefor men will stumble less and HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO SCHOOLGIRLS ANYWAY? In no real way, I hope...
Mmm... I beg to differ. My ex when she would wear her jeans... I couldn't take my eyes off her. But then I also drooled when she would put on a dress. Face it... a woman can look very attractive in just about anything.
Besides... are you trying to get your high school daughter laid? You really shouldn't be concerned about making your school age kids attractive to the opposite sex.
"Call me old fashioned"
It is extremely old-fashioned, and stupid of you, to tell someone else what to wear because you think you know what it looks like to other people.
Trousers are always fugly, but if girls are going to wear jeans, they have the right to.
I (and not only, judging from other comments here) find trousers on women quite sexy. Ergo, you fail.
Anyway, who the hell are you to tell anybody what to wear?
I went to school in New Zealand, where most schools have uniforms. The girl's uniform was always some hideous smock or skirt/blouse combo. Sometimes they offered a pants option for winter. It sucked. Especially during puberty when boys are trying to look up your dress constantly. You are restricted in what you can do because you are wearing a stupid dress all the time.
It's not about modesty, it's about forcing girls into their gender roles. The boys can play basketball and rugby at lunch, but you have to sit quietly (making sure no boys are hiding under the seats). For PE we had a seperate uniform that had shorts. White shorts. The boys of course had black shorts. In winter, it rains every freaking day. So every PE lesson was perve time. We were all convinced that it was an evil plot by the male PE teacher.
So in my opinion, forcing girls to wear dresses is so very wrong. They're just kids, let them wear pants so they can run and jump and reach for things. Don't sexualise them yet.
Furlong, I'm a bit more of a jeans girl myself unless work requires otherwise, know where I can find a good game? I've been on wizards, pen & paper, and no one wants to play unless they can be rules lawyers. I prefer my former DM's rule, "If it is funny, the gods say it is so." Hmmm... come to think of it, why shouldn't life work that way too... Maybe that's why we have fundies!
Just put your women in burkas, that will solve the problem completely.
Of course it will open a whole new set of problems, but then you can whine about how persecuted your are.
Following your stupid logic, why are you using a computer?, it's a product of modernity and convention as much as wearing trousers for women is. And by the way, if what you said were true, why is it that you encourage women to wear dresses to be modest and not tempt men?, WTF?
In my elementary school, the girls' uniform had the option of either a skirt or trousers. The boys' uniform just had the trousers. Cue a bunch of otherwise trans-phobic 8th grade boys deciding to wear skirts to class as a form of protest against discrimination. Most of them were a little unclear on the concept. But one of them wore a kilt.
This person is ridiculous, pants are awesome, they totally show off girl's asses, hence they are superior QED
At the state schools I went to, uniforms were compulsory
...still, at the comprehensive ('High') school I went to, we could only wear normal clothes in 6th Form. Before then, we still had to wear uniforms. It didn't stop the school's resident hotty wearing her skirt somewhat shorter than the others, nor the (usually seamed) stockings and high heels she wore...:
http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=48138&Page=6
...as my first 'experience' can testify to. :9
So...dresses and skirts are leg-alistic? LOL
The Lazy One
I don't wear them either, but not for the perverts. I can't imagine the cold upskirt drafts one must endure - besides, me being a dude has a lot to do with it - gender roles and such.
Is this a Catholic School Girl thing?
Teacher, teacher, I declare!
But, women don't go to school to be attractive to men, they go there to learn stuff.
"but there is something about a dress on a woman that makes her look FEMININE - and more attractive to MEN."
thats the BEST reason to dress little girls , say under age 25, to wear boilersuits with padlocked zippers everywhere 8-)
Funny, I don't think I've ever seen a guy say I'd look more feminine or attractive in a skirt. I think a couple said that of me in a burqa, mind,and I'm pretty sure that they weren't Islamic.
@ Anon: I wish we could have done something like that at my 6th form. There were a couple guys there I'd have liked to see in skirts :)
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"but there is something about a dress on a woman that makes her look FEMININE - and more attractive to MEN. Trousers on women are not as feminine - nor are they as attractive."
And everyone knows that's what women are for, am I right? Who cares what SHE likes if she isn't fulfilling her lifelong burden--er, duty--of being attractive to men? Thank goodness there are people like the OP to cement in children's minds as early as possible the idea that women's bodies are public property.
"Call me old fashioned, but there is something about a dress on a woman that makes her look FEMININE - and more attractive to MEN. Trousers on women are not as feminine - nor are they as attractive." and Jaybird74 says this of young girls of all people. As if someone out there wants her daughter to get upskirted, or even literally fucked at school. Seriously? What's even worse is that part of the OP's statement is true for some guys I never knew my alma mater's confession page actually had a bunch of dudes saying that the school's Chinese dance troupe, myself included, looked "pretty", "femininely demure" [sic] all the way to "hawt" [sic] in their floor-length dresses.
Sad to say, I for one prefer long skirts over trousers except when I ride my motorcycle. At school (graduated last term), however, there were explicit rules for uniform skirt length and it was enforced to wear shorts under our otherwise full skirts.
Otherwise, Jaybird74's clearly misogynistic pornographic even attitude is painful to behold.
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