scubajesus

Is it just me, or are these boards getting more and more trolled? Xenoninja, and now messianic servant?

8/21/2008 2:59:27 AM

confused2

You know this is one of those points where I have to salute the fundies. This is a commendable statement- I think he is trying to say they shouldn't whine so much.

8/21/2008 4:39:35 AM

Athar

@MessianicByKalvenKlein

Sigh now your just being silly.

8/21/2008 4:40:03 AM

Evilutionist

@Messianic Servant
You do realize that rating the threads is not going to do anything to further your cause, right?

We here can spot crazy without having to look at numeric scores.

8/21/2008 5:14:30 AM

anti-nonsense

Then I guess most of you Rapture Ready folks aren't "real" Christians, since you seem to do quite a lot of whining.

8/21/2008 5:23:01 AM

Alcari

I AND MY BROTHERS HAVE GIVEN THIS POST A 1 AND WILL CONTINUE TO GIVE ALL NEW POSTS A RATING OF '1' IN ORDER TO DRIVE THE RATINGS DOWN.

Say, you've got the math down on that one, don't you?

8/21/2008 6:23:01 AM

Godbuster

Like you are right now ?

@ Smith : OH MY FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER YOU'RE SO RIGHT I JUST NOTICED !?!?

If irony was made of strawberries, we'd all be having a lot of smoothies right now.

8/21/2008 6:29:31 AM

Jay-Sus

Holy shit! This post has a rating of 3.44. This can't be a Fundie. Messianic Servant has bested at doing nothing.

Now about this quote: No true Scotsman, eh?

8/21/2008 6:48:51 AM

Brit-nontheist

@ El_Generalissimo

To continue your admirable pedantry, and because I hate when people think they are being grammatical by using 'I' instead of 'me' incorrectly, I'll add this: the form of the first person indicator should be the same as if no mention of another person is made.
i.e.
He said this to me => He said this to Scott and me.
I said this to him => Scott and I said this to him.

8/21/2008 7:37:17 AM

Katsuro

Not really all that fundie. In fact, he might even be technically correct that Christians shouldn't really whine about criticism, I'm not sure.

8/21/2008 7:41:19 AM

Reverend David (yes I am a Minister)

A new oxymoron!!!
There's one BornAgain every minute.

8/21/2008 10:48:12 AM

Michael

Instant condradiction - just add water.

8/21/2008 10:48:55 AM

Princess Rot

Ha! Ha! Ha! This? From Rapture Ready!?

8/21/2008 11:22:00 AM

aaa

And you guys whine. A lot.

8/21/2008 11:27:31 AM

Well, I hope that you're being ironic, because in that board is the national sport.

8/21/2008 12:13:48 PM

Pup

A true Scotsman doesn't have sugar on his porridge.

8/21/2008 12:14:31 PM

Xotan

A true Christian is one who follows the teaching of a certain Jesus of Nazareth.

Several problems arise out of this simple statement@

- there is no archaeological evidence that such a place existed when Jesus is said to have lived. OTOH a Nazerene, other than the inhabitant of Nazareth means one who follows certain religious customs (eg not cutting the hair etc.)

- What information we have about Jesus is very ambiguous (vide Nazareth supra). The Gospels are very much later than his time, and were concocted only after Judea and Palestine, generally, had been given a thoroughly rough going over by the Romans. Apart from the short life-span, people had been butchered and scattered, and Jerusalem had been burnt to the ground and the Temple destroyed. Memories of an humble Rabbi were not the most important thing on people's minds. Survival, avoidance of slavery, shortage of food and accommodation were the issues of the day. Out of all this confusion come the Gospels. Sadly there is an element of Chinese Whispers/Telephone about what they contain. Nothing deliberate, but memories would have faded, and those who would have known Jesus personally were either dead of scattered.

- Paul had written earlier. One can take the kindly view that he was a sincere man who had an epileptic condition in which he imagined he saw Jesus in one of his seizures (Paul's) and believed he got a message. Or a less kindly view that he was a liar and an attention seeker who say an opportunity to aggrandize himself. It is too often forgotten that he was a persecutor of Christians, and also that he was one of those whom Jesus is reported in the Gospels to have excoriated - a Pharisee. Nothing evil in Paul's writings about Pharisees!

- The canon of scripture was very late in being formulated. It came about the time of the Council of Trent, in the mid to late 1500s. But even at the time of the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD there was much dispute about what should be allowed or rejected. We are supposed to believe that the Holy Spirit (through the intervention of the Divine Emperor, the pagan Constantine (converted on his deathbed!) inspired the choice of texts allowed. Still, the men in the council argued a lot, and all but rejected Revelation/Apocalypse. It just about scraped through as many thought it was totally demented, it showing all the signs of an unsound mind having written it.

So a true follow of Christianity would be one who eschews Paulinity and clings to what has come down of Jesus's teachings, always being careful to weigh the probablilities of what actually is in the Gospels being based on absolute truth, as against faulty memories or plain lies. All else has nothing to do with Jesus, who, poor Rabbi, gets lost in the welter of wannabe apostles' and disciples' writings.

What remains after this exercise is what a true christian believes and follows.

Nothing about a lunatic event called a Rapture there. That belongs to a false prophet of the 1800s - Miller.

I propose that all Rapturites should be called Millerites, as they have no connection with Jesus's teaching whatsoever. Hell and dammit! not even with Paul's! Miller was the adventurer who made some money on the credulity of those who believed his constant rejigging of dates for the Rapture, all the time selling Rapture Robes that were necessary to get into heaven...

Am I cynical? Take a fair and unprejudiced look at what I have said. I a,lso say that there is no such thing as a true christian.

8/21/2008 12:30:58 PM

Sure "No True Scotsman", but it's not really a very darned way of saying it.

8/21/2008 12:34:37 PM

slipknot45

then why comment on here? your religion is the only one that fights with everyone else....really

8/21/2008 12:54:11 PM

Lee

Yeah, a true Scotsman wouldn't do that either.

8/21/2008 1:04:00 PM

IanC

So theres no such thing then?

8/21/2008 4:02:47 PM

Larty

Fine, be it that way. If what you say is true, I'm glad that the world has fewer false Christians.

8/21/2008 4:21:44 PM

Grigadil

I thought whining is how christians identify themselves.

8/21/2008 4:35:23 PM

I have to give you credit for calling out your buddies at Rapture Ready this way, but the truth hurts, doesn't it?

8/21/2008 5:00:59 PM

mike-mike

O RLY?

8/22/2008 6:11:14 AM