Christians' idea of Hell comes from our Savior and God's Word, not Catholicism. Jesus spoke more about Hell than any other subject in the Bible.
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Uhh no, he spoke more of treating others the way you wanted to be treated, not being a hypocrite, love and respect. All the things you fundies never seem to do.
Christians' idea of Hell comes from our Savior and God's Word, not Catholicism.
The Catholic Church said, back in the 4th century:
"Jesus often speaks of "Gehenna" of "the unquenchable fire" reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost (Cf. Mt 5:22, 29; 10:28; 13:42, 50; Mk 9:43-48). Jesus solemnly proclaims that he "will send his angels, and they will gather ... all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire, (Mt 13:41-42) and that he will pronounce the condemnation: "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!" (Mt 25:41). (they said it in Latin, of course) ...
How is that different from any other Christian sect?
I haven't seen him go on as much about hell as not excluding people, not dividing his religion (house was metaphor), loving others, etc
Prove it, please. I always thought that Jesus was more into peace, love and equality.
@693538: I think it's because they see "Hell" as a place. Come to think of it, isn't there somewhere called "Hell" in Norway?
"Jesus spoke more about Hell than any other subject in the Bible."
Than any other single, individual, arbitrarily defined subject, maybe. Than all non-Hell subjects combined, no. A rather deceptive phrase you have going there. If he is quoted giving his opinions on adultery twice, and then makes oblique references to punishment or a pit of fire a total of three times, it means that your statement is correct, but not necessarily that significant.
I borrowed a Bible from my mum and looked this up. I seemed to notice more about being nice to people, charity, fairness, tolerance, and actually really good stuff like that more than raving about hellfire and brimstone.
...Except when you count the fact that the Catholic church, as the ONLY European church in existence for over 1000 years, kept the ideas of Heaven and Hell, and the very text of the Christian Bible itself, in existence, instead of allowing them to fade into obscurity. Let's just discount that part and pretend we had the KJV handed down to us straight from God and don't have those horrible, filthy Catholics to thank for it.
You'd think if your religion were that important to you, you'd want to learn a bit about its history. A sixth-grader knows more about Christianity than this woman.
@Bored One-time Poster: Well, there's also a Hell, Michigan and a Hell, Oregon too.
... Fuck, I don't want to have to come back here to Oregon after I buy it! Michigan's at least DECENT!
Why is it that the people who claim to be the staunchest supporters of the Bible almost invariably turn out to be the most ignorant of its actual contents?
That's like claiming to be the biggest fan of a rock group, and even collecting all their albums, but never listening to any of their music apart from a single commercial that samples a few of their hits.
~David D.G.
Jesus spoke more about Hell than any other subject in the Bible.
- quote the quotes to prove your assertion.
- BTW, Catholicism is in directline of descent from the Apostles. What about your "church"? Which Apostle is your Church's Father?
@Ash, no, the notion of hell was not alien to first-century Judaism. The Jewish concept of hell was called "gehenna," which is the word that Jesus used to describe the fate of the wicked (it is translated as "hell" in our Bibles, along with a whole slew of other words). Gehenna was a valley near Jerusalem were garbage was burned. In Jewish thought, it was associated with judgment, but the nature and extent of the judgment in question varied. Most Jews did not have a concept of eternal torment, but believed that the spiritual "gehenna" was sort of like purgatory, where souls would be punished (or purified) and then sent onwards to Heaven. Others suggested that the souls of the wicked would simply be consumed and destroyed. The concept of eternal torment did exist in some sects, but it wasn't as prevalent as it is in Christianity. Jesus used the language and concepts of his audience, but he often turned their understanding of these concepts upside down. There are Jewish writings from the intertestamental period that suggest that "gehenna" was the one place that a righteous Pharisee or teacher of the law could never go. But, there was plenty of room for "sinners," outcasts, gentiles, women, and the ritually unclean. Jesus turned that notion upside down, stating that it was the Pharisees themselves who were in danger of "gehenna's fire." That is really the whole point of the oft-abused parable of the rich man and lazarus.
Catholicism is Christianism, last time I checked. And by the way, three verses against at least 30 talking about love................do the math, please.
The Christian idea of Hell actually came from the Jews, who in turn got the idea from the Babylonians. Originally, in Jewish lore, the souls of the dead indiscriminately went to a place called Sheol, a subterranean purgatory. This is because death was seen as the enemy, something to be feared and hated, and the OT God was, for lack of a better term, a God Damned bastard. During their travels, they came into contact with the Babylonians, who had much nicer gods, relatively, and the Jews became enamoured with the idea of death not totally sucking. So, despite the fact that, according to God, YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THIS, they changed some elements of their fundamental religion by "borrowing" the ideas of Heaven and Hell. So, to recap, since Christianity is derived from Judaism, and since Judaism inherently has no Heaven, nor Hell, the Jesus never said boo about either and any mention in the Bible comes not from Jesus nor God, but from the writers of the Bible, who being largely of Jewish descent, would have been raised to believe in Heaven and Hell, but remain mostly ignorant of their true origins as a pagan concept.
So....I guess that the only ones who go to Heaven are the followers of the Old Ways of Babylon. So, all Hail Ahura Mazda!
Jesus spoke more about taking care of the poor and weak than any other subject in the Bible, stupid. Have you sold all your possessions yet and given the money to the poor as He told you to? Why not?
Catholics are Christians, they were Christians for about 1500 years before Luther came around and started the Reformation and Protestantism.
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