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John MacArthur mentioned several important things about what Jesus thought of the Old Testament in a recent sermon series. Here are some of them plus my own comments.

For one thing, He thought He wrote it (and I believe him). Christians have traditionally held these views:

Jesus is God as He claimed to be.
God inspired the Bible.
Therefore, Jesus inspired the Bible.
Interestingly, the references Jesus made to the Old Testament were often the most controversial parts and/or those characters that some liberal theologians think were fictional - Satan, Noah, Jonah, Sodom. When Jesus refers to them there isn’t even a hint that they weren’t real.

He didn’t appear to have any problem with the destruction of the world (except for Noah and his family) and He clearly taught that the majority of people will go to Hell. So we should dispense with the false dichotomy of the vengeful Old Testament God and the kinder, gentler New Testament God right here.

Neil, 4Simpsons Blog 21 Comments [8/30/2008 6:04:08 AM]
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Jay-Sus

Jesus is God as He claimed to be.

I claimed to be God when I was in grade 7. Does that make me God or can only Jesus do that?

8/30/2008 6:06:19 AM

Mortok

"So we should dispense with the false dichotomy of the vengeful Old Testament God and the kinder, gentler New Testament God right here."

Absolutely, couldn't agree more. God is, and always was a douchebag.

8/30/2008 6:09:32 AM

Peter H

Circular reasoning on acid.

8/30/2008 6:23:00 AM



Is this to get around the cognitive dissonance to experience when you realize that your religion really is polytheistic rather than monotheistic, despite what one of your commandments say? Yeah...

8/30/2008 6:34:03 AM

Panz

so wait, the bible has no errors, yet you're to ignore that first part where god is an all loving asshole?
And does that mean that your persecution of gays will end, or that the world did not come from two people, or that there was no world wide flood?
Oh hell no, we'll just cherry pick that till the tree's dead and the farmer's moved on, right.

8/30/2008 6:34:19 AM

Tina

Wait, Sodom was a character, too?

8/30/2008 6:45:10 AM

Fdragon

...wow...I didn't know an entire city could be classified as a "character"

8/30/2008 6:46:43 AM

werewolf

Theology isn't a hard skull subject, Neil. You should study that, so we wouldn't be subjected to this drivel.

8/30/2008 7:56:24 AM

Dark_Lord_Prime

Just so I can try to protect my fragile sanity, let me see if I've got this straight.

Someone in 70 - 100 AD wrote about a character in a book, who referenced other characters in a much older book as if they were real...

...because the author of the Jesus story used elements from said older book, which he likely read just like many other people at the time...

So, since the fictional character in the second book talked about the fictional characters in the first book like they really existed, ALL the fictional characters in question were real.


Is that about the size of it, then?

Fuck.. I think my sanity still broke. >_>

8/30/2008 8:37:31 AM

Xotan

@ Tina.

Sure Sodom was a queer sort of character, as some would hold.

And then don't forget Gomorrah... ya know the song:

Gomorrah, Gomorrah,
I love ya, Gomorrah,
You're only a ghey a-way!

They were both destroyed by fire and broomsticks wielded by a green-faced, sharp-nosed woman and her flying monkeys (from whom GWB is descended), who swept them off the face of the earth. Her photo was then taken under a large banner that said 'Mission Accomplished'.

Satan moved to Northern Finland and started making toys for children. The he went round the world on the evening of 24th December every year and insisted in comeing down chimneys, instead of using the halldoor! His evil plan to keep their minds of Church on Christmas day. And his uniform is flaming red, the devil's colour!

Jonah was having a whale of a time last we heard. He certainly wasn't blubbering.

Noah? Noah-sk/No-tell.

Oh the lunacy of it all!

8/30/2008 8:55:13 AM



Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy.

Hmmm. Okayy... me who's never read the bible (well i read it when i was about 7) can find that quote in under a minute.

8/30/2008 9:16:50 AM

solomongrundy

Jesus is God as He claimed to be.

Read your own Bible. Jesus never claimed to be God, he claimed to be God's prophet. He always spoke of God in the third person.

All that 'indivisible unity of the trinity' guff was invented by Tertullian in the third century CE.

8/30/2008 10:13:55 AM

Gawd

Jesus is god, and he's the son of god. That makes perfect sense.

8/30/2008 11:27:57 AM

aaa

What?

8/30/2008 12:34:08 PM

Mister Spak

"Interestingly, the references Jesus made to the Old Testament were often the most controversial parts and/or those characters that some liberal theologians think were fictional - Satan, Noah, Jonah, Sodom. When Jesus refers to them there isn’t even a hint that they weren’t real."

Interestingly, when Harry Potter refers to Dumbledore there isn't even a hint that he isn't real.

8/30/2008 2:35:52 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

"He clearly taught that the majority of people will go to Hell"

Wow, thanks for reinforcing my opinion that your Jesus is a fucking prick! And you worship this asshole? Damn, you must be a real douche bag as well.

8/30/2008 6:43:32 PM

Old Viking.

... we should dispense with the false dichotomy of the vengeful Old Testament God and the kinder, gentler New Testament God right here.

I don't recall ever employing that dichotomy.

8/30/2008 9:47:17 PM

Darth Vader... For Freedom

O_o

9/1/2008 10:14:55 PM

Quantum Mechanic

jeebus is a myth for idiots

9/6/2008 6:00:18 PM

FSMpirate

"When Jesus refers to them there isn’t even a hint that they weren’t real."

Which would just happen to be called "carrying on the lie"

11/30/2009 6:31:12 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Or, we can dispense with them both

11/30/2009 7:39:39 AM
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