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but all this information about isotopes lasting for half a billion years cant really be 100% accurate, when was it we figured all this lasted that long? 100 years ago or less? we have not experienced enough to be able to prove everything about science either, the only thing that is proven about science is what that person really wants to believe just like we Christians. we have what we believe and are always conflicting on the subjects of creationism vs. evolution

in the end when we die, we will see who is right and wrong, if you dont believe, we are upset for you, if you do, well, we believe we will see you in the afterlife

faith does not cause wars and such, its greed and power that is exploited through religions that do

any Muslim as any Christian will tell you, their beliefs are based on loving one another and following certain rules that help keep us tied in with our chosen faith, its when people choose to enforce their belief on others is when we have problems

Millaneous, WoW offtopic 38 Comments [8/29/2008 10:12:04 PM]
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SurfinSeaOtter

you're trying really hard, good for you. Some of the stuff you're saying isn't at all true though ;)

8/29/2008 10:18:31 PM

Old Viking

It's an attempt to be reasonable. I'd have a cup of coffee with this one.

8/29/2008 10:23:23 PM

Yaezakura

This one isn't horribly fundie, actually. His knowledge of science is, of course, lacking, but at least he doesn't outright decry the scientific method. Then, of course, his refusal to acknowledge that religion actually was the cause of many, many wars is unsettling, but eh, not everyone studies history.

8/29/2008 10:27:18 PM

epsilon

nuclear physics, ur doing it wrong

8/29/2008 10:32:21 PM

TheOutsider

faith does not cause wars and such, its greed and power that is exploited through religions that do

Isn't that a bit like saying it's not guns that kill people, it's the bullets?

8/29/2008 10:34:09 PM

aaa

Mathematics, kid.

8/29/2008 10:46:17 PM

Illuminatalie

"but all this information about isotopes lasting for half a billion years cant really be 100% accurate, when was it we figured all this lasted that long? 100 years ago or less?"
If it takes an hour for a sandglass made to such-and-such specifications to empty, all things being equal it will take a million hours for it to empty a million times. I don't have to be present to believe this is so, just as my belief that 1=1 is not at all based on the fact that I haven't ever found things behaving otherwise.

"any Muslim as any Christian will tell you, their beliefs are based on loving one another"
O RLY? I don't think that is really true, but fortunately both groups are generally better than their 'beliefs'.

"in the end when we die, we will see who is right and wrong, if you dont believe, we are upset for you, if you do, well, we believe we will see you in the afterlife "
Believing that you belong to a special race or religion that God loves, to the exclusion of everyone else, who he will condemn to eternal suffering (which you consider JUSTICE?!?), kind of clashes with "loving one another". It's impossible to consider people more or less subhuman, and destined for eternal punishment, and not have a mean, patronizing attitude towards them in real life, which is certainly what I have observed lots of from religious fundamentalists (they think they're hiding their beliefs from me too, haha, they're not very good at it). And why would atheists who lived with great kindness and genuine desire to see good things done, be punished for not believing in Allah and his dictates?

8/29/2008 10:49:59 PM

Nowonmai

Ignorant, yes. Fundie? Not quite.

8/29/2008 10:50:46 PM

RavenWood

There's decent base here... Go just a little further.

8/29/2008 10:51:49 PM

Mudflappus

"Every religion in the world that has destroyed people is based on love” Anton Lavey. Founder of the Church of Satan.

8/29/2008 11:05:14 PM

oh_come_on

"its when people choose to enforce their belief on others is when we have problems"

Right. I just hope he gets that it goes both ways.

8/29/2008 11:06:30 PM

Jay-Sus

I failed math and I can tell you your math is wrong.

8/29/2008 11:10:12 PM



In the end you won't see smack since your brain will be out and therefore your eyes.

8/29/2008 11:32:43 PM

Shano

Technically there is a subtle point which needs clarification. The statement that isotopes with halflife time of milions of years really have halflife time of milions of years is based on a very strong but yet unproven assumption called the ergodic theorem. It claims that averages over times are equal to averages over ensembles. In other words it means that if I toss a milion coins the number of heads I get (pun intended) will be very close to the number I get if I toss one coin a milion times.

It is a very strong assumption as in it has been proven under specific conditions but not all conditions. Thus its use in physics remains empirical as in it's a null hypothesis that has not been rejected.
Back to isotopes. We deduce the halflife time of an isotope by studying a large number of atoms of that isotope and looking at how many atoms remain unchanged after some reasonable amount of time. This unfortunately doesn't completely ensure that if we take one atom it will decay with a probabilty determined by the given halflife time.

I thought that needs clarification. Sorry for the boring lecture :)

8/30/2008 12:30:26 AM

atrasicarius

Any muslim or christian? Does that include Pat Robertson and Osama bin Laden?

8/30/2008 1:02:39 AM

Allegory for Jesus

"isotopes lasting for half a billion years cant really be 100% accurate, when was it we figured all this lasted that long?"

Learns urslef some mathimatics.

" if you dont believe, we are upset for you"

And I am upset for you in that you are so arrogant to assume that your perspective on the afterlife is true.

"any Muslim as any Christian will tell you, their beliefs are based on loving one another and following certain rules that help keep us tied in with our chosen faith, its when people choose to enforce their belief on others is when we have problems"

Truth. Damn shame we have a disproportionately large and powerful manifestation of the latter, and that those who are among the former would probably be loving and follow necessary guidelines for moral behavior regardless of their chosen faith.

8/30/2008 1:10:18 AM

worldsend

i only posted this on because if you read this guys post history you will facepalm

8/30/2008 1:16:08 AM

Alcari

@Shano

Their issue is not with the mathematics (They're far to stupid to even come close to grasping the simplest proof), but with the physics.

The standard claim is that radioactive would have been faster in the past. Of course, the standard answer that that would require a different weak force, a different gravitational constant and thus a different universe only draws blank stared.

8/30/2008 1:21:40 AM

werewolf

Well, good for you, son. But do go out and learn something. Remember, your status in the afterlife is determined by how smart you are in this one..

8/30/2008 1:42:05 AM

Android R

but all this information about isotopes lasting for half a billion years cant really be 100% accurate, when was it we figured all this lasted that long? 100 years ago or less?

Mathematics says otherwise.

we have not experienced enough to be able to prove everything about science either,

True, we don't know everything, but we try.

the only thing that is proven about science is what that person really wants to believe just like we Christians.

I'm not following. Rephrase.

we have what we believe and are always conflicting on the subjects of creationism vs. evolution

True, at least you don't outright say we are wrong.

n the end when we die, we will see who is right and wrong, if you dont believe, we are upset for you, if you do, well, we believe we will see you in the afterlife

Ok, I'll see you there.

faith does not cause wars and such, its greed and power that is exploited through religions that do

While greed and power do play a part, faith is also involved

any Muslim as any Christian will tell you, their beliefs are based on loving one another and following certain rules that help keep us tied in with our chosen faith, its when people choose to enforce their belief on others is when we have problems

I now have *some* (read: a little more than none) respect for this man. At least he understands that other religions are not all 'evil' and out to get them.

8/30/2008 2:07:13 AM

Fanatic-Templar

Well, he doesn't understand how science works, but he seems okay to me. He's not someone I'd consider fundie, based on this post.

8/30/2008 4:34:00 AM

freako104

" its when people choose to enforce their belief on others is when we have problems"

I can't agree more.

8/30/2008 5:04:15 AM

Lulzmonger

Why these idiots gather in places like WoW or Gaia online forums? Seriously, I'm starting to think that they are all quite unsocial.

8/30/2008 9:31:06 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

in the end when we die, we will see who is right and wrong,

Says the man who just denounced scientists for making assertions on things they've never observed first hand.

8/30/2008 12:20:13 PM

Calilasseia


Oh dear ...

"but all this information about isotopes lasting for half a billion years cant really be 100% accurate, when was it we figured all this lasted that long?"

Radionuclide decay follows a precise mathematical law. Which has been verified for hundreds of isotopes. Go here and check out the data that has been obtained empirically by the UK National Physical Laboratory, which is not in the habit of making mistakes in this regard. The data is subject to repeat checking to ensure that the values specified are precise to very stringent limits.

8/30/2008 1:08:35 PM
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