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I like everything in science, but the evolution theory is the biggest fail.

For one, we date fossils by the geographical columns we find them in but we date the columns by which ever fossil you find in them. Circular reasoning.

Carbon-dating has a huge faulty assumption. I'm not going to explain how it works in details, but it assumes the amount of carbon in the earths atmosphere remained constant throughout millions of years. Why carbon in atmosphere matters? Short explaination, plant absorbs CO2, animals eat them, its in their flesh, then you date the flesh.

Living snails have been dated few thousand years old. Keep in mind, they're living. On mammoths, the skin of the mammoth and another part of it has a difference of few thousand years(you can look up many examples of this). Talk about slow growth.

Plus fossils doesn't prove evolution. We have not found ONE missing link. The only thing fossils tells you is that it died. You don't know if those fossils have any kids, let alone different kids.

Evolution is based on dwarvins natural selection theory.
In order for natural selection to work we must have mutation. There are NO beneficial mutations.
Flys have been nuked and gotten all kinds of flys. Flys that fly in circles, zigzag, no wings, etc. All which is worst off than the original.

The ONE beneficial mutation you'll always hear is, people with sickle cell amneia can't get malaria. That isnt a benefit both sickle cell and malaria is negative. Thats like saying people without arms cant get handcuffed.

And natural selection is a perfection process. In order for it to work, you must have the one with a beneficial trait live and ALL the rest must die, otherwise the genes will blend right back into the population. Not just that, natural selection is a checking process. Imagine a automobile line. Your job is to make sure all the working cars make it through, thsoe that don't work, missing a part, etc, throw it out.
Let me ask you. how long will this process take to turn the car into a helicopter? NEVER. Its a self checking process.

I can go on and on about this topic.

Fifth, WoW offtopic 54 Comments [8/29/2008 10:11:58 PM]
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Tsog-Sothotha

This dude knows nothing. Troll, anyone?

8/29/2008 10:16:58 PM

Old Viking

It's a veritable Fundy Short Course in anti-evolution nonsense.

8/29/2008 10:25:12 PM

TheOutsider

That was a hell of a Gish Gallop. Now how about reading a fucking book?

8/29/2008 10:30:54 PM

WhyDontYou.Org.UK

Dear Mr Fifth:

Word salads are not a replacement for education and understanding.

8/29/2008 10:32:58 PM

dhillcrest

For one, we date fossils by the geographical columns we find them in but we date the columns by which ever fossil you find in them. Circular reasoning.


As soon as you see 'geographical' instead of 'geological' you ring the retard alarm bell.

Fossils are used for the relative dating of strata ie this one is older than that one. They are not used for absolute dating ie this strata is 453 myo. No circular reasoning required. Spaz.

8/29/2008 10:45:09 PM

anonymous_troy

"For one, we date fossils by the geographical columns we find them in but we date the columns by which ever fossil you find in them. Circular reasoning."

No... we're not that stupid.

"Carbon-dating has a huge faulty assumption. I'm not going to explain how it works"

And I'm not going to take your word for it.

"We have not found ONE missing link."

Lucy... All the Neanderthals we have. The whale-pig. You know, you could

www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

"Flys have been nuked and gotten all kinds of flys. ... All which is worst off than the original."

That's what natural selection is for. Normal mutation is a very slow process, and only the mutations that work survive to reproduce. Microwaving flies shows nothing.

"how long will this process take to turn the car into a helicopter? NEVER"

Exactly, because cars aren't going to get enough energy to ever power a helicopter, and if they evolved in that direction, they would die off. However, they have certainly gotten more fuel-efficient, smaller, and cheaper in response to artificial selection.

8/29/2008 10:48:05 PM

GigaGuess

Before you spout off about science, PLEASE crack open a textbook.

8/29/2008 10:49:04 PM

aaa

C-14, ever heard of it?

8/29/2008 10:49:43 PM

RavenWood

Evolution does not work that way.

If you won't speak about a topic, its a pretty sure bet you don't know jack about it.

8/29/2008 10:55:01 PM

Traitor1

Science without evolution (at least the life sciences) is useless.

8/29/2008 11:06:17 PM

Jay-Sus

I like everything in science, but the evolution theory is the biggest fail.

By using and internet meme at the end of a sentence in a serious debate you automatically fail.

8/29/2008 11:09:27 PM

Illuminatalie

Probably not a troll, this looks like he laboured over it. Such profundity.

"I'm not going to explain how it works in details"
This made me laugh out loud!

8/29/2008 11:10:33 PM

Blackrose

The ONE beneficial mutation you'll always hear is, people with sickle cell amneia can't get malaria. That isnt a benefit both sickle cell and malaria is negative. Thats like saying people without arms cant get handcuffed.

Yes, they're both negative, but being heterozygous for the sickle cell allele is a hell of a lot less likely to kill you.

8/29/2008 11:14:50 PM

John

For one, we date fossils by the geographical columns we find them in but we date the columns by which ever fossil you find in them. Circular reasoning.

No. Originally, the fossils were dated by the layer they were found in. The layers were given names: Permian, Triassic, Cambrian, etc. We didn't know the actual ages of the layers; only their relative ages. Later, we determined the age of the layers by radiometric dating. The radiometric dating agreed with the order of the layers. There's no way Noah's Flood can explain the layering or the dating.

Natural selection is a checking process. Imagine a automobile line. Your job depends on whether the Hummers you're building actually sell. If they don't sell, you lose your job. The guy making Toyotas that do sell gets to keep his. Let me ask you: How long will this process take until you're out of a job and Toyota is snickering at you? It's a self checking process.

8/29/2008 11:30:43 PM

tangerio

"I can go on and on about this topic"


..... without ever making any sense



8/30/2008 12:01:09 AM

C_V


your whole concept of carbon dating is utterly ignorant. I'm sure you could go on and on about the topic, but never once say anything accurate. go to a real school.

8/30/2008 12:03:17 AM



First there's fundie Gaiafags and now fundie WoWfags? Shoulda seen it coming eventually.

8/30/2008 12:04:35 AM

RFP15

I see that someone went to the Kent Hovind school of idiocy.

8/30/2008 12:05:06 AM

worldsend

Some of the others i posted are defiantly trolls, however this guy was not a troll.

8/30/2008 12:07:53 AM

Papabear

"we date fossils by the geographical columns"

Geological columns, perhap?

8/30/2008 12:14:00 AM

Aethernaut

The only thing that's the biggest fail here is Fifth's understanding of evolution, geology, carbon dating, spelling, and automobile assembly lines.

8/30/2008 12:32:11 AM

Rainking

Fundies are so cute when they try to get all scientific.

8/30/2008 12:49:22 AM

tracer

Tsog-Sothotha wrote:

"This dude knows nothing. Troll, anyone?"


He's an Undead, actually. Trolls have tusks.

8/30/2008 12:54:42 AM

tracer

"Evolution is based on dwarvins natural selection theory."


"dwarvins" natural selection theory?

n00b, dwarves are one of the Alliance races! You traitor.

8/30/2008 12:56:46 AM

Firthy2002

Hey Fifth, you know that "Dr" Kent Hovind is a fraudster, right?

And I don't just mean the tax-dodging...

8/30/2008 1:11:08 AM
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