First of all, THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE OF INDIANS IN THE US! There were indian wars, sure. But the fact is: The indians are still here! There are still Indians in the eastern states. Lots more in the west.
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So MrMann defines a victim of genocide as not existing anywhere, in any shape or form. Leaving aside the fact that that really is what Columbus and his ilk did to the Arawak people, this also leads me to believe there has been a genocide in MrMann's brain tissue.
There were genocides of the Native Americans. There numbers have dropped sharply since the Europeans came here and stole the land. There's very few Native Americans left today, and they've been forced to live on "reservations" instead of their traditional homelands. Christians are extremely hateful of the "heathen pagan" Natives. Christian racism at work.
I remember some other idiot making the same argument years ago when "Dances with Wolves" was released, I could easily introduce this troglodyte to the policy of GEN Phil Shedridan who thought that the only good Indians he'd ever seen were dead, or maybe the exploits of a COL John Chivington at Sand Creek telling his men to 'kill them all, big and small, nits make lice." Do I even have to mention the trail of tears or wounded knee?
This fellows an ignorant jackass.
Maybe somebody should ask the Mandans about that.
Oh, yeah. You can't. They all died from smallpox carried by infected blankets given to them by whites in order to clear them out.
Sounds like a classic dictionary definition of "genocide" to me...
Lord Jeffrey Amhers gave smallpox-infected blankets to local Natives. The following is from nativeweb.org:
Despite his fame, Jeffrey Amherst's name became tarnished by stories of smallpox-infected blankets used as germ warfare against American Indians. These stories are reported, for example, in Carl Waldman's Atlas of the North American Indian [NY: Facts on File, 1985]. Waldman writes, in reference to a siege of Fort Pitt (Pittsburgh) by Chief Pontiac's forces during the summer of 1763:
... Captain Simeon Ecuyer had bought time by sending smallpox-infected blankets and handkerchiefs to the Indians surrounding the fort -- an early example of biological warfare -- which started an epidemic among them. Amherst himself had encouraged this tactic in a letter to Ecuyer. [p. 108]
Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic.
I also wonder if it was his intent, or just a nice surprise when there was an epidemic after the fact. I don't know when Pasteur had his Germ Theory of Disease, or how much a British military officer would have known about it if it was before this date. Nonetheless, it emphasises how white diseases turned villages into ghost towns.
Yes, there was a genocide, entire tribes were wiped from existence. What the fucking history book are YOU reading?
signed, a VERY angry Tex/Mex Native American with a touch of Euro-trash.
Yeah because "indians" are a homogenous group of the same tribe. Listen, the majority of tribes were destroyed, looted, and relocated (and much much worse).
You should be ashamed of yourself.
1) Genocide doesn't mean they were killed off all over.
2) You do know there were different tribes, right?
Erm, are you dense in some way, Mr Mannn? Before Columbus and the Settlers came, there where millions of Native Americans. A few huntings, wars, killings and diseases later, they were down to just a few hundred thousand or so.
How come we in far-away Sweden know more of American history than some Americans do?
Genocide does not mean you kill them all, stupid. It means you kill people because of their ancestry, genes, race; whatever you want to call it.
Not because of something they personally did, but because of who they were born to. That makes sense!!!
So I guess if I were to scrape a few cells of MrMannn here, "immortalise" them, and stick them in an incubator somewhere, then sticking the rest of the fucktard in a burning room and locking the door wouldn't count as murder.
I mean, if some of his cells are still alive then he isn't completely dead, and if he isn't completely dead, then there's been no murder.
Hey don't look at me, it's his fucked up logic, not mine!
And the genocide of the Jews in the holocaust never happened because Jews still exist. And the Crusades never happened because Muslims still exist. And the Conquistadores never happens because the Aztecs still...oh waitaminute.
The point is, you're a fuckwit with no grasp of rational thinking.
I'm part Iroquois. Somewhere along my family tree a Native married into a French-Canadian family. Even if they hadn't, the culture and language has been destroyed, no thanks to Jesuit missionaries in Quebec Christianising them, and others as well. This sad little fact of history is "whitewashed" in history classrooms that give important dates and show brave families in covered wagons (a la "Little House on the Prairie"), but ignore the fact that no one knows a word of most of these languages after elders die off.
There are still Jews in Germany. Hence the Holocaust never happened?
You do know that genodice does not require the wiping out of every last single member of whatever group is being targeted, don't you?
Sorry in advance for the Godwin.
There was no Genocide of the Jewish people in Germany. There were wars between Jews and Germans, sure, but the fact remins: The Jews are still here.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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