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If all people were equal, why would there be more blacks in prison than in college? And why would blacks, who comprise 12% of the country, make up the majority of the prison population? And why would 90% of NFL and NBA stars be black? People aren't equal. Equality is an idealist liberal pipe dream.

Warbirth, WoW offtopic 47 Comments [9/2/2008 8:29:55 PM]
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#665257


Because, you know, there is something called LIVING CONDITIONS, which are far worse for the black people. That's why they either end up in prison(poverty makes crime more frequent)or in Sports(it's their way to get out poverty). If whites were screwed up at the same level............go figure who would figure in statistics.

9/2/2008 10:01:55 PM
#665458
Amanda

Nobody said all people were equal. The idea is that all people should be TREATED equally.

9/2/2008 11:13:37 PM
#665526
Jay-Sus

Because being treated equally is the same as being equal.

9/2/2008 11:39:53 PM
#665586
Bigot

The question was whether all people are equal or not.

Hey #702335, don't you think there's a reason why blacks are screwed up?

9/3/2008 12:06:34 AM
#665676
Pickle

@ Bigot

All people are equal because they are equally human. Some people may be smarter, some stronger, some faster, but we are all equally human.

9/3/2008 12:40:04 AM
#665911
Bigot

Sure, but does that mean anything on a practical level, or is it another meaningless slogan?

9/3/2008 3:16:17 AM
#665994
Nibien

/facepalm.

To start things off: Not all people are equal, see some people are tall, some people are short, some people are left handed and some are right, some people even don't have use of their legs. That's not the point, the point is they're supposed to be treated as equals and with the same dignity.

I can give about fifteen factors in which would account for a large chunk of all of that.

Regardless, if he actually presented a half-way rational viewpoint, he might actually make sense, this is obviously just ignorant bigotry.

Besides, I don't even think all the races are equal, I mean heck Africans own the fuck out of me for being in the sun, even minor physical traits and intellectual traits may be bound to crop up, albeit given the evolutionary line and such minor trait changes I don't think there was enough time for significant changes to occur.

However I think any (if any are in fact existent) statistical differences amongst races are so horribly insignificant they don't matter what-so-ever in comparison to more important social and economic factors, to the point of believing that one race were somewhat superior (in all aspects, much less one) enough to make them better than anyone else is absurd.

Besides, China won the most gold medals in the Olympics recently, last time I checked. Weren't they that nasty race that was supposed to be physically inferior? Oh my, what a surprise. Guess we'll have to use some other asinine stereotype to prove the inferiority of everyone but the trailer-trash hicks.

9/3/2008 5:08:14 AM
#666012
Pickle

Bigot
"Sure, but does that mean anything on a practical level, or is it another meaningless slogan?"

It sure does mean something on the practical level: most people in the industrialized world aren't in poverty, most "minority" groups in the said industrialized world thrive just as much as the majority groups when they aren't being systematically targeted by their governments and populations at large, most people aren't super geniuses or super rich and it sure as shit doesn't take brains to make a lot of money. (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2007-08-12-smart-not-rich_N.htm)

For the most part, people come out differently as a result of their ethnic group's minor adaptations to their surroundings. The question: "are all humans equal" is the wrong question to ask. It's vague as hell, equally what? Equally tall? Equally rich? You have to specify, and even then, what is it worth? Does it mean you'll live a better life being smarter or being able to run faster? Otherwise, all humans are equal for the simple fact they are equally as human as their taller next door neighbor, end of discussion.

The thing these racists out here don't realize is that humanity is much more complex than a series of arbitrary traits that do jack shit for you in the long run if you:

* Don't use them correctly
* Don't use them at all
* Use the skill, but it's not economically viable
* Have a shitty attitude coupled with no work ethic.

9/3/2008 5:26:57 AM
#666051
Bigot

You didn't really address my point.

9/3/2008 6:31:46 AM
#666071
Mortok

@ Bigot

You don't HAVE a point, and neither does "Warbirth". Riduculous, sweeping generalisations aside, we are ALL human, and deserve to be treated with respect, whether we're black, poor, disabled, or even as wilfully ignorant as you. THAT'S what equality means.

9/3/2008 6:55:28 AM
#666373
sgt snoodles

bigot:Hey #702335, don't you think there's a reason why blacks are screwed up?

Try being forcefully taken from Africa, enslaved for a few hundred years and then when they were finally released, they were not given any compensation or any other form of starting capital from anyone, be it former masters or the government. Therefore majority of them were poor and still are today.

It's very difficult to go from being a forcefully released slave with nothing to someone who is financially equal to those who were born into the middle class or higher with no assistance whatsoever. Try it yourself, see how it works out for you.

9/3/2008 11:08:44 AM
#666501
Pickle

"You didn't really address my point."

Try using some reading comprehension skills, I fully answered your question (and Warbirth's) which was asked incorrectly to begin with.

On a practical level, race means jack shit.

9/3/2008 12:38:48 PM
#666564
Bigot

I'm talking about the meaning of the phrase "all humans are human", not whether some humans are human or not. I think it's pretty obvious that all humans are human, so it's like saying "we all bleed red". And it's just that - another anti-racist slogan with no substance or point to make.

sgt snoodles, all blacks were slaves?

9/3/2008 1:20:50 PM
#666709
jsonitsac

Uhh Bigot, I'd say 9/10 black people in the United States had ancestors who didn't come here voluntarily. And I'd go as high as 99/100 black people in the Americas (including the Caribbean) fall into that category.

9/3/2008 2:32:54 PM
#666744
Bigot

Blacks in Africa and Europe aren't exactly successful either.

9/3/2008 2:46:22 PM
#666806
aaa

Right...

9/3/2008 3:33:42 PM
#666917


Talking as an European, Bigot hasn't met a black European or guys Nelson Mandela in his whole life(European universities are full of black graduates).

9/3/2008 4:34:27 PM
#667349


Why are you guys even wasting time with 'Bigot'? Besides the fact he's (or she's) a racist troll that continuously haunts this side of FStDT, his or her name speaks for itself. Keep feeding the troll and they'll keep coming back.

9/3/2008 8:33:18 PM
#667440
Lt. Fred

Institutionalied and deliberate rascism. It's right there in the law.

Bigot= Blacks in Africa and Europe aren't exactly successful either.

We have continuing colonialism and imperialism (different things, BTW) to thank for the problems in Africa.

9/3/2008 9:15:59 PM
#667656
Adam

@Bigot

Whites in Europe aren't successful either.

See Eastern Europe/Caucasus.

Bigot= Generalizing douche bag.

Oh and "anit-racist", please save that insipid little word for your little stormdork friends. You're an idiot on RSTDT arguing white supremacy, you have NO POINT. Therefore there is no point to address.

9/3/2008 11:33:13 PM
#667661


Bigot-all PEOPLE should be treated equally. No matter the skin colour. Blacks have had around 40 years as equal citizens. Compared to the beginning of this country, they have barely been known as citizens. They have had very little time to actually be equal to whites, so they have an excuse for poverty. Most blacks didn't commit crimes, it's racial profiling thanks to the white culture.

9/3/2008 11:38:45 PM
#667858
Pickle

"I'm talking about the meaning of the phrase "all humans are human", not whether some humans are human or not. I think it's pretty obvious that all humans are human, so it's like saying "we all bleed red". And it's just that - another anti-racist slogan with no substance or point to make."

Way to avoid the other points that were made around here, yer a grreat troll! All humans are humans because they can breed with each other, Bigot.

By the way, individual differences mean far more in the long run than insignificant group differences and that's the thing people lose sight of one half the time.

9/4/2008 1:52:00 AM
#668247
Bigot

Lt. Fred: Institutionalied and deliberate rascism. It's right there in the law.

Examples/proof?

Adam: Whites in Europe aren't successful either.

See Eastern Europe/Caucasus.

Oh, I didn't know they had it that bad. We ought to send them BILLIONS OR DOLLARS OF DEVELOPMENT AID don't you think?

Pickle: Way to avoid the other points that were made around here, yer a grreat troll!

They had nothing to do with the subject.

All humans are humans because they can breed with each other, Bigot.

Are you still assuming I think some humans are not human?

What does "we're all human" mean? Does it mean we have similar values or morals? Does it apply to the radical muslim who gang rapes a Western girl because she doesn't wear a hijab? Does it apply to the African who rapes his 3-year old child to cure the dick sickness?

By the way, individual differences mean far more in the long run than insignificant group differences and that's the thing people lose sight of one half the time.

If they matter to people, they're not insignificant. Don't be so arrogant.

9/4/2008 9:55:56 AM
#668333
Dan Onymous

@ Bigot. You want the question addressed? OK.

"Are all humans equal?"

Clearly not. As Nibien pointed out, people are different heights, strengths, ages, intelligences, abilities etc.

Is race the main differentiating factor that makes people unequal? Clearly not. Thinking that skin colour is what makes people equal or not is what makes you a racist twat.

You say 'anti-racist' as if it's a bad thing. Obviously you cannot see the point of sayings such as 'we all bleed red' etc. To anyone with sense, the obvious point there is that we are all basically the same - same organs, same body chemistry, same emotions, feelings etc. If all you can see is the amount of melanin in someone's skin then I'm not surprised you can't see things which are obvious to most other people.

9/4/2008 12:23:46 PM
#668565
Pickle

"Oh, I didn't know they had it that bad. We ought to send them BILLIONS OR DOLLARS OF DEVELOPMENT AID don't you think?"

Guess who was sending them money during the cold war for development purposes? I'll give you a hint: they weren't American. Even the Western Europeans got welfare money in the form of the Marshall Plan.

"They had nothing to do with the subject."
They sure did! I noted that even though individual human beings have differences, they are all the same because they are human beings. Get it now?

"Are you still assuming I think some humans are not human?

What does "we're all human" mean? Does it mean we have similar values or morals? Does it apply to the radical muslim who gang rapes a Western girl because she doesn't wear a hijab? Does it apply to the African who rapes his 3-year old child to cure the dick sickness? "

You obviously have a REALLY limited grasp of what humanity is. Let's have Merriam-Webster help you out

Main Entry: 1hu·man
Pronunciation: \'hyü-m?n, 'yü-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English humain, from Anglo-French, from Latin humanus; akin to Latin homo human being — more at homage
Date: 14th century
1: of, relating to, or characteristic of humans
2: consisting of humans
3 a: having human form or attributes b: susceptible to or representative of the sympathies and frailties of human nature <such an inconsistency is very human — P. E. More>

That is what all humans are humans means, cut and dry. Morals and values are relative to the society you live in.


"If they matter to people, they're not insignificant. Don't be so arrogant"

Lots of things matter to people that are insignificant, like "race" or iPhones.

9/4/2008 3:52:38 PM
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