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[This was in reply to: Do you believe in god?"]

Yes, because of Jesus. We can know without doubt that the Gospel records give an accurate summary of his life and teachings (textual criticism/ confirmation from other contemporary documents). He made many claims to be God:
eg
I and the Father are One
He who has seen me has seen the Father
Before Abraham was, I am.
Only God can forgive sins (and Jesus did)
Only God can calm the storm (and he did)
etc
Now if Jesus made these claims there are three possibilities:
1)He was lying- in which case, he was not a good person, not a good teacher
2)He was a lunatic- I might as well follow The Great Poached Egg
3) He was who he said he was :Lord and God.

singwell-is back but taking it easy, AnswerBag.com 36 Comments [9/16/2008 11:12:52 PM]
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dpareja

Trilemma = fail.

9/16/2008 11:14:30 PM

Dark_Lord_Prime

David Koresh also claimed to be God.

What is your point?

9/16/2008 11:25:26 PM

JonathanE

I think that you are the victim of simple misinterpretation. There is only ONE verse in the entire bible that discussed the "trinity", and it, too, was deliberately altered (misinterpreted/translated).
That being said, there are plenty of other choices, regarding the validity of Christianity.
Personally, I chose number two.

9/16/2008 11:35:36 PM

nfp

We can know without doubt that the Gospel records give an accurate summary of his life and teachings (textual criticism/ confirmation from other contemporary documents).

?????!!!!!EleventySHFT!???

Where's my picture of Bizarro...

9/16/2008 11:43:59 PM

Christopher

Or
# 4 Jesus is a myth & everything he reportedly said or did is a fiction.
or
#5 Jesus existed but few of the stories about him or the reports of what he said are accurate - the writers were merely trying to portray him a certain way.
or
#6 Jesus did none of those things and the reports of what he said have been grossly misinterpreted.

Well what do you know. Guess I kinda destroyed your trilemma huh?

9/16/2008 11:45:18 PM



Yeah, if you consider that those "accounts" were written a good 40 years or more after he supposedly accended. How well are your memories after 10 years?

9/16/2008 11:52:59 PM

tracer

This false Trilemma was false even back when C.S. Lewis proposed it.

9/17/2008 12:10:03 AM

Allegory for Jesus

I still maintain that lying and insanity are more likely than the third alternative...

9/17/2008 12:10:29 AM

Doctor Whom

We can know without doubt that the Gospel records give an accurate summary of his life and teachings (textual criticism/ confirmation from other contemporary documents).

Then tell us when Jesus was born. Also, tell us what happened during the Passion, and in what order.

9/17/2008 12:13:06 AM



tracer said exactly what I was thinking...

9/17/2008 12:19:27 AM

Headache

and
4) Mythical
5) Fictional
6) Based on local preacher, elevated into god-dom by uneducated do-good-for-nothings out to make a quick buck on the the stupid masses.

9/17/2008 12:23:30 AM

MAS2008

Waste of skin.

9/17/2008 12:28:15 AM

CT

We can know without doubt that the Gospel records give an accurate summary of his life and teachings

PIOUS FRAUD! We know without doubt that some, if not all, of the Gospels are works of fiction...



I wonder how they feel about being taken in by a 2,000 year old hoax?

9/17/2008 12:40:41 AM

Old Viking

If you're going to quote, quote accurately. If you're going to paraphrase, do it gracefully. Incidentally, there is no confirmation whatsoever of the gospels in contemporary documents. No one -- absolutely no one -- who lived at the time of Jesus made any any reference to him whatsoever.

9/17/2008 1:33:49 AM

The Watcher

So, you've created a false trilemma, and solved it by simply asserting that the answer you like has to be true?

9/17/2008 1:59:57 AM

kingoftheheavies

No one -- absolutely no one -- who lived at the time of Jesus made any any reference to him whatsoever

Inconsequential son of gawd--for the win!

9/17/2008 2:01:51 AM

Frogflayer

I'm for The Great Poached Egg only...

do I follow the path of toast with butter or toast without butter?

9/17/2008 2:55:56 AM

GigaGuess

So...why is it necessarily #3 when the other two are just as likely?

9/17/2008 3:31:42 AM

werewolf

Your Jesus is probably an amalgam of religious nuts who have kept popping up in Judea during the Roman occupation. There may have been one representative individual upon which all the myths and legends, actions and words of the other nuts were bestowed. This would account for the contradictions in the stories called Gospels.

If this is the case, your three choices are invalid.

To prove their validity, you need proof that a single individual said and did what the Gospels say he said and did. You'll have to prove virgin birth among humans is possible. You'll have to prove that he was crucified and rose from the dead.

Good luck.

9/17/2008 4:05:00 AM

zazugrey

False trichotomy. Has a nice ring to it.

9/17/2008 4:32:22 AM

Hakar

#7 It was the only way he could make stupid monkeys stop hitting each other with sticks.

9/17/2008 5:26:56 AM

anonymous_troy

"(textual criticism/ confirmation from other contemporary documents)"

Are two things that render the Bible clearly full of shit.

9/17/2008 5:35:04 AM

Godbuster

You see, out of the three options, you picked the least plausible one. Says a little 'bout you.

9/17/2008 6:59:36 AM

Prager

I vote for 2!

9/17/2008 7:32:32 AM

Jack Bauer

@Frogflayer

Blasphemer!

The True Way (TM) involves Marmite soldiers!

9/17/2008 7:43:59 AM
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