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[After Pascal's wager is debunked]Well, answer me this question--You may know something I don't know--does any other religion promise a worse fate, or even a fate as bad, for those who do not follow its beliefs as a never-ending sentence of punishment and anguish?

Hidden in Christ, Christian Forums 21 Comments [10/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Yeeeaaa...not the best way to promote your religion.

10/17/2008 10:38:43 AM

Man Called True

Lessee... Hinduism and Buddhism have a long list of horrible things you can become in your next life, and Buddhism has nine separate hells truly awful sinners can be pulled through before the reincarnation ("Hell of the Sword Tree" sounds ominously bad). Islam has the same Hell set-up you do. Shinto has a number of unpleasant fates...

So yeah, no matter who you believe or don't believe, they're all telling you that you're fucked if you don't follow them.

10/17/2008 11:20:10 AM

El Guapo

"never-ending sentence of punishment and anguish?"

Sounds like a description of church...how about Easter Vigil Mass (ex-Catholics will know what I'm talking about)? Its EXCRUTIATING and seems like it lasts forever.

10/17/2008 2:31:51 PM


The Chinese hell is regularly updated. The murals in the Tiger Balm Garden, here in Hong Kong include a circle of being driven over by demons in buses, besides the usual fire and torture. I'm not making this up!

10/17/2008 3:33:18 PM


Yes, Islam is just as bad as far as I know.

Not to mention the fact that people keep insisting that their particular interpretation of Christianity is the only right one and everybody else will burn in hell, so how do I choose which interpretation of Christianity is the right one, to say nothing of choosing between it and another religion.

10/17/2008 3:37:39 PM


More than enough.

10/17/2008 3:41:39 PM


Yes. A lot of them in fact.

Also, this is a horrid way of proving anything. "Ours is real because our punishment is worse!"

10/4/2009 5:53:59 PM

Quantum Mechanic


So what?

10/4/2009 5:56:33 PM

Philbert McAdamia

I like it. Instead of bragging on all the bling they'll inherit this one is going with "Our god is the meanest thug on the block, so ya better love him, or he'll get ya for it." The other way of winning big.

--You may know something I don't know--

Ya think?

10/4/2009 6:19:30 PM


Funnily enough, almost every religion has some hideous torment after you die for not following it. Tells you something about religion, hmmmm?

7/4/2010 1:31:34 PM


I think in some forms of Islam, He'll is the same, but not necessarily eternal, and in Buddhism, you're punished for bad things you did, not specifically for not being Buddhist.

7/7/2011 1:59:23 PM


Buddhism says if you follow the Buddha's example, you'll be reincarnated in a better life, if not, you'll come back in a worse life, say as a menial servant. Only those who are Enlightened achieve Nirvana and break the cycle of death and rebirth. Islam says only those who follow the Prophet and the teachings of the Qu'ran may go to Heaven, the rest burn in Hell.

7/7/2011 3:13:22 PM


does any other religion promise a worse fate, or even a fate as bad,f or those who do not follow its beliefs as a never-ending sentence of punishment and anguish?

"Hidden in Christ", when your criteria for the "truthness" of a religion is how horrible the afterlife is depicted in it (a complete weird assumption, btw), then this has some unintended consequences for you:

For most religious people I've spoken to, the 'afterlife' of the atheistic worldview is the worst possible fate. Religious people fall in complete panic and horror by the sheer thought that death means the end of their existence. (I'm totally okay with death ending my whole existence; religious people obviously see this different)

Because eternal nothingness seems to be the worst possible fate to people who believe in some supernatural fairy-tale "afterlife", you must abandon your christian faith now, "Hidden in Christ", and become an atheist immediately.

Don't like it? It follows directly from what you've said.

7/8/2011 12:18:31 AM


> does any other religion promise a worse fate

I don't particularly care what any religion may offer after death -- it's what they do to people who are still alive which appals me.

7/8/2011 12:44:53 AM


The Egyptian hell was to be eternally eaten by Ammit, a very unpleasant monster.

And Tartarus had some clever torments to fuck with you forever.

Shintoism has Eight Hells of Eternal Fire, and Eight Hells of Eternal Ice, amongst others.

Buddhism punishes people by forcing them to live over and over and over again in prgressively worse and punitive existences.

So...yeah. Way worse then, "lake of fire, and for some reason gawd's archenemy is gonna torture me 'cuz gawd told him to and rebels totally do what they're told by the guy they're rebelling against"

11/11/2011 11:05:21 AM


"Well, answer me this question--You may know something I don't know--does any other religion promise a worse fate, or even a fate as bad, for those who do not follow its beliefs as a never-ending sentence of punishment and anguish?"

Via a little something called Occam's Razor - which destroys Pascal's Wager every time - just construct for us a dimensional portal generator (a la that in the Sci-Fi TV series "Sliders"; or at least the Iconian portal in one episode of "ST:TNG") that can show, nay, bring us to this realm of existence called an 'Afterlife', so we can see for ourselves the proof, thus Pascal - and you - was right all along...?

(*sets & starts auto-countdown to Fold-Drive activation*)

I'm waiting...!


(*Checks chronometer*)

...time's up . No dimensional portal do I see before me, so I'm afraid that - along with Pascal's so-called 'Wager' that the likes of William Hill, BetFred and Paddy Power won't touch - I'm afraid I'm gonna have to do this:

(*Pushes Hidden in Christ [the dirty bugger!] and his argument into rearward section of experimental spaceship 'Event Horizon'; closes, locks & seals airlock and fires locking latches, separating ship halves. Boosts away from Fold Drive section; watches as coundown ends, and dimensional portal appears as rearward section's Fold Drive activates, taking said section, HiC & his argument to the Chaos Dimension for a fate worse than a fate worse than death: to be hideously raped & mutilated for eternity.*)

Liberate tutame ex inferis. >:D

...oh, and just to spice things up, re. your argument having things done to it that would make the Cenobites (in the "Hellraiser" films) die of terror, consider this, HiC:

The title of that particular thread is 'IF you found out that the bibble [sic] is wrong'. Ever hear of something called Spartan Laconic Wit...?! >:D

11/11/2011 12:03:55 PM


Answer me this question; if no other religion promise a worse fate than Christianity, why would I want to worship the most evil god on Earth?

11/11/2011 2:36:19 PM


"I'm right because my god will hurt you worse than any other will!"

11/11/2011 4:06:04 PM

Well, I'd rather not be eaten last...

Iä Cthulhu!

11/11/2011 4:32:03 PM


The fact that you invented the most miserable and hateful god of them all validates your religion how, exactly?

11/13/2011 12:08:58 AM

"[After Pascal's wager is debunked]Well, ..does any other religion promise a worse fate"

Wait, wait, wait. Pascal's wager is usually expressed as 'believe, even without a good reason to, or risk a horrible fate.'

If that's been debunked, you go with 'risk of a horrible fate?'

You're just doubling down on the debunked argument. That's one of those 'this is your brain on religion' public service announcements!

10/4/2017 10:25:38 AM

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