I think it is more correct to say science changed your life.
9/29/2008 2:54:50 PM
Wrong. We have a book that makes an unverifiable assertion that Jesus rose from the dead.
My favourite theory is that Jesus had a secret identical twin. Jesus sacrificed his life to pull off the greatest twin prank of all time!
Now that's a guy I'd worship.
9/29/2008 2:56:37 PM
yeah, that limited-to-reality thing reeeeeally fucks up the whole water-walking zombie shit.
9/29/2008 3:02:28 PM
We don´t even have proof of whetther Jesus really lived.
All wsources that mention Jesus (even the gospels) are from 2 decades after his alleged death upwards, by people who never met him in person
Not to mention that we know of early christianity, that there were several early christian groups with different opinions on Jesus, which were later declared heretical and persecuted by pauline christianity with their books geting burned. That pauline christianity (with the opinion that Jesus was divine) was victorious in the struggle among christian confessions doesn´t mean however, that pauline christianity was right.
Jesus was declared divine several centuries after his death, at a time where everything the clerical world had were tertiary (or even worse) sources about Jesus.
9/29/2008 3:08:43 PM
You can not prove god - you should not even attempt to prove god! It's about FAITH!!!!!!
The thing is, just because you believe, doesn't mean everybody else has to believe in the same thing.
Nobody will attack you for believing in god, going to church, raising your children in a christian fashion - however, people will get somewhat aggressive when you try to push your values and believe onto them and their children.
9/29/2008 3:08:59 PM
Are you sure it's not a myth?
9/29/2008 3:09:09 PM
It is true that science is not concerned with the supernatural. However, I don't understand why people automatically assume that the change a certain religion can bring into someone's life must, automatically, be a positive change.
"It's exactly the same as saying that prayer helps, even when all the studies done show that it has absolutely no effect what-so-ever."
Actually, the studies have shown that prayer does have a placebo effect. People who are being prayed for tend to feel like their life is worth living, and that they have a chance of recovery, more often than people who are not being prayed for. Granted, you could get the same results in different ways, but prayer isn't entirely useless.
9/29/2008 3:10:47 PM
All your proof is so "extraordinary" that nobody can find it.
9/29/2008 3:14:35 PM
So your "proof" for an extraordinary claim is nothing but an even more ludicrous claim.
You know, when gambling addicts get really desperate, they'll wager bigger and bigger sums on worse and worse odds. I smell a loser.
9/29/2008 3:22:06 PM
9/29/2008 3:32:06 PM
Waiting for God
I love this argument. Science and religion are totally separate, you cannot measure God.
Fundies are the first people to claim that 'Jesus touched me', 'He touched my life and changed me forever'. Ergo, he had an effect on reality, on the physical nature of the human psyche.
If God/Jesus changed you in some way, then this is observable and therefore measureable. It's exactly the same as saying that prayer helps, even when all the studies done show that it has absolutely no effect what-so-ever.
Once again, if God claims to be able to have an effect on the material world then these effects are measureable.
God or at least his works can indeed be put into the petri dish.
9/29/2008 3:32:22 PM
Mortok you blew my mind.
9/29/2008 3:33:05 PM
Now prove or cite verifiable evidence that he rose from the dead. Should be easy since you claim he changed your life.
9/29/2008 3:50:28 PM
Yes, science is limited to what we can prove, which is itself limited to what we can reliably observe.
You admit there is no reliable empirical evidence for your god , and yet you insist we should believe in him as you do.
Why? If you have no evidence, and admit you can never provide any, what possible reason is there to believe you over any other nut-case trying to sell me a handful of magic beans or a moon-landing conspiracy?
9/29/2008 4:07:01 PM
There is no such thing as supernatural.
If it happened, then it's natural. One might not know yet why and how it happened or what rules it follows, but the fact that it occurred means that it can occur, means that it's natural. God is only supernatural until he manifests. By your own assertion God showed up as Jesus, ergo natural, ergo science can have at it.
9/29/2008 4:17:03 PM
"He was God in the flesh: He rose from the dead."
How do you kill a god exactly? The more sinful amongst us may need to know...
9/29/2008 4:19:19 PM
God makes you able to fly doesn't he?
9/29/2008 4:30:03 PM
"You can't put God in a petri dish or a test tube and you won't ever prove Him scientifically"
According to SAB,
I Kings 18:36-38,
2 Kings 20:8-11
all disagree with you.
And in light of God's lack of evidence and refusal to present himself for study, we must logically conclude he either does not exist or is totally irrelevant to the existence of the universe.
9/29/2008 4:39:22 PM
So what? Lots of agricultural deities rise from the dead every year. There's as much evidence for that as for the resurrection of Christ.
9/29/2008 4:39:57 PM
Science can know nothing of the supernatural, because science is limited.
The only truely "limited" thing I perceive here is your comprehension of the world around you my simple friend.
9/29/2008 4:52:56 PM
Can you please prove that he rose from the dead? No? How about some evidence then? Any evidence? No, no...the bible doesn't count.
Your belief in Jesus may have changed your life but Jesus didn't as he has been dead for a loooong time.
Science indicates to all of those of us who think that the supernatural does not exist.
Also, you are a fucking idiot.
9/29/2008 4:53:03 PM
That's nothing. Doctor Who rose from the dead 9 times (and counting) and has saved the entire world more times than you can count. Jesus is an amateur.
9/29/2008 5:17:54 PM
What the poster says is completely contradictory. Assuming there is a god, there are 2 possibilities: either he interferes in the Universe, or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then you have a deist god and there's no point paying attention to him. If he *does* interfere with the universe, then we should be able to see the result of that interference. Prayer should have a positive impact, for example. You'd also expect to see that christians would be nicer, healthier, happier, wealthier, etc. because of their relationship with god. The problem is that, to the best of my knowledge, there are no objective standards which show this.
9/29/2008 5:21:28 PM
You can't put God in a petri dish or a test tube...
A Klein bottle works very well. The retarded bastard will never find his way out.
9/29/2008 5:39:12 PM
It's not science, it's a relationship with reality.
9/29/2008 5:42:12 PM