Aren't the changes of evolution happening 1:1 since it does and we are here?
9/28/2008 12:26:25 AM
Chance does not equal goddit.
9/28/2008 12:28:46 AM
The universe is INFINITE. Everything has to happen somewhere, no matter how unlikely it is.
9/28/2008 12:51:27 AM
Allegory for Jesus
"with today's study of just DNA itself, which was only begun in 1953, is starting to prove that the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility."
And we have a LOSE.
"only until after you get to college, that you're allowed to test these theories and understand how they fail in the regard that chance chemistry sucks as a teaching tool."
What? Seriously, the words are in English, the grammar is right for the most part, but you still don't make any f#$@ing sense.
9/28/2008 12:51:33 AM
I suspect that unlike Zapem, I actually have college degrees and have indeed used my knowledge and experience to test "these theories." This is what convinced me to believe in evolution as a fact of life (pun intended).
I also suspect that Zapem has never gone to our institutions of higher learning and studied these matters as evidenced by his use of a term like "chance chemistry." Funny, this term was never mentioned in my courses on quantitative / qualitative analysis.
Lastly, I suspect that Zapem has a deep-seated hatred for such institutions. Those evil colleges that question dogma and superstition.
9/28/2008 12:53:10 AM
I can tell from your terse and lucid writing style that you're a college man.
9/28/2008 1:10:44 AM
The problem is, with today's study of just DNA itself ... is starting to prove that the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility.
They've proved no such thing. A handful of people on the lunatic fringe, like William Dembski, claim they have such proof, but they refuse to actually show it to anyone - they make too much money selling books to gullible fundies to screw it up by submitting their work to mathematicians to check.
9/28/2008 2:10:56 AM
Yeah but the probability of God must be even lower since He is all-knowing.
9/28/2008 2:25:05 AM
I suppose if Zapen had actually gone to college and bothered to take some chemistry and biology courses, he/she would realize that the processes concerning DNA, after being discovered, fit more or less perfectly within the evolution model, which led to the (further) solidification of evolution and creationism being banned from all public schools back in 1987.
Go back to school. Oh wait, you won't because you're scared you might learn something that will contradict your bronze-age beliefs.
9/28/2008 2:52:04 AM
Separation of church and state arguments claimed this was a form of religion and got it taken out and replaced with the evolution theory.
GASP! Replacing religious nonsense with science. How awful!
9/28/2008 3:03:00 AM
Some background on this fundie, he suggested that we wipe out the middle east. He or she also thinks obama is a secret muslim that will usher in sharia law.
9/28/2008 4:15:20 AM
"the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility[...]
it's only until after you get to college, that you're allowed to test these theories and understand how they fail in the regard that chance chemistry sucks as a teaching tool."
The mathematical constructions behind statistical dynamics and quantum mechanics would beg to differ, as would the accurate predictions made by these fields and their application to virtually every aspect of chemistry...not to mention molecular biology.
Also, there's no reason to not test any theory before college.
9/28/2008 5:23:15 AM
What's wrong with Chemistry? I was taught how to mix up gunpowder!
9/28/2008 8:52:58 AM
You think DNA evidence disproves evolution? Seriously?!
9/28/2008 9:22:09 AM
"The concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility".
If you throw a pack of cards on the floor, it's a very, very small chance that they will fall in a specified order. But it's a certainty that they'll fall in SOME order.
The wonder is that earth evolved as it did (although, infinite universe, gotta happen somewhere as others have said), but SOMETHING would have come/evolved.
9/28/2008 9:26:40 AM
starting to prove that the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility
No, they've proved that things turning out exactly as they did is improbable. Things turning out in any similar way is a lot less improbable, and the chances of it turning out this way are almost exactly the same as the chances of it turning out another way, so there is no statistical reason why things should have turned out any other way.
9/28/2008 2:06:50 PM
Having been to college, I have yet to see the theories fail
9/28/2008 2:11:20 PM
9/28/2008 3:12:07 PM
Bored One-time Poster
"The concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility."
Does Zapem even realise what that would mean? If that were true, something with a 99% chance of being created would fail every time.
To apply that to something more visible than mutations, the chances of rolling a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 on a standard die are all 1/6. The number generated is subject to chance, but, according to Zapem, that means that rolling any number is a mathematical impossibility, as the number would have been generated by chance. Presumably he expects the die to land on a corner every time?
9/28/2008 3:34:28 PM
Ow!! my brain hurts, that thread was not fun reading. The stupid it BUUURNS!
9/28/2008 4:11:01 PM
Someone really has no clue what they are talking about.
9/28/2008 4:20:49 PM
"chemistry sucks as a teaching tool."
9/28/2008 6:20:01 PM
"chance" is a mathematical impossibility, and always has been seen as such. anything commonly considered "chance" is simply a product of too many minute factors to possibly consider. every "chance" event can trace the factors leading up to it all the way back to the start of the universe.
does this mean someone created the universe to get the ball rolling? i don't know, you don't know, your book that was written billions of years after the universe was created doesn't know.
what i do know is that until omnipotence is a proven fact, creationism will never be taught as a plausible theory. look for it in mythology and ancient literature textbooks.
9/28/2008 9:03:08 PM
"That's exactly true. At one time, creationism was taught, being that intelligent design was responsible for life."
And we call those the Dark Ages.
9/28/2008 10:05:33 PM
Who said anything about chance? Let me guess, you really dont know shit about biology do you?
..yeah I thought so..fuck off you liar for Christ.
9/29/2008 1:31:35 AM