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I would first like to ask how you as an evolutionist can ridicule creationism and call it unbelievable. There is just as much evidence for creationism as you think there might be for evolutionism! Did you know that the sun is shrinking? Did you know, in fact, that if the sun is now currently shrinking, that at one time, it was bigger? And did you further know that the sun is shrinking in such a rate that if the earth and everything was billions of years old, the sun would have been, at one time, large enough to where it would have swallowed up the earth? Did you know that the moon is moving further and further away from the earth? Did you know that this means that at one time, the moon was closer to the earth? Did you further know that if the earth and everything was billions, even millions of years old, at one time the moon would have been close enough to cause such tides that all the life on earth was washed away twice a day? Did you also know that the earth is slowing down in its rotation? Did you know that this means that at one time, the earth was spinning faster? Did you further know that if the earth was billions or millions of years old, the earth would have been spinning so fast that everything would have shot off it like little kids from a merry go round? Do you know what happens to kids shooting off from a spinning merry go round? As they are travelling away from the merry go round, they themselves are spinning in the same direction as the merry go round was! If there was a big bang, and everything went shooting off of a spinning dot of compressed matter, then everything we see in space should be spinnning in the same direction, right? Well, its not! There are moons of planets travelling in a different direction than the rest of the moons of other planets, there are planets that are spinning in different directions, and, if our own galaxy were spinnning for billions or millions of years, it would have spun itself into a perfect circle years ago! I challenge you to explain away these facts to me. I challenge you to fit these things into your theory of evolution. I challenge all who believe in evolution to tell me how these things are in agreement with evolution. Because if just one of these things cannot be explained, if one of these things cannot agree with evolution, then you cannot accept the theory of evolution as truth, and cannot accept evolution at all.

Andrew Hatcher, TalkOrigins 68 Comments [10/1/2008 6:08:31 AM]
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dpareja

[citations needed]

10/1/2008 6:13:59 AM

Dark_Lord_Prime

Did you know that every single "argument" you just spouted has been thoroughly debunked and is a heaping pile of steaming bullshit?

Did you further know that absolutely NONE of that bullshit has ANYthing whatsoever to do with evolution?

I challenge you to pick up a book (other than the bible) and learn something on your own, rather than letting everything in your head be something that was put there by your preacher or other harebrained bible-believer.

10/1/2008 6:17:31 AM

J. Random Lurker

Wait, what?

*sigh*

You know what, I'll just do this:

tl;dr...

10/1/2008 6:19:11 AM

Brit-nontheist

I'm not up on the lingo of the interwebs - what is "tl;dr"?

10/1/2008 6:20:20 AM



too long; didn't read

sometimes pronounced 'teal deer'.

10/1/2008 6:23:59 AM

flim

Did you know that I'm reading your post? Did you know that, in fact, that means at one point, I had not read any of your post?

How I miss that state of affairs.

10/1/2008 6:27:25 AM

Mortok

@Brit-nontheist

too long; didn't read.

I think the only reason he ended it there is because his last brain cell finally gave out.

10/1/2008 6:30:25 AM

werewolf

Why should any scientific theory provide answers to your incoherent and ignorant ramblings?

Read any good astronomy textbook. Maybe you'll learn something.


10/1/2008 6:39:26 AM

myheadhurts

Oh Kent! We've missed you!!

not

10/1/2008 6:40:57 AM

The Outsider

It's almost like Mr. Hatcher went to their Index to Creationist Claims page and just started copy and pasting them all.

10/1/2008 6:42:49 AM

BrightStars

Did you know that TalkOrigins debunks all that shit RIGHT AT THE WEBSITE YOU'RE REPLYING TO???

He's so close and doesn't even know it.

10/1/2008 6:43:55 AM



"I challenge you to fit these things into your theory of evolution."

I admit it. I can't. It's so full of all the biology, there's no room in it for the astrophysics.

(And even less for the bullshit.)

10/1/2008 6:49:01 AM

misterchipotle

first of all, the sun is growing larger. i should have stopped reading there to save brain cells, but i felt compelled to read on because it's not everyday one is graced with such stupidity as this. unless the earth is losing gravitational force, in which case i'd be a few pounds lighter and my grandma would break the men's olympic long jump record, the moon is not ''moving farther away from the earth''.

10/1/2008 7:08:54 AM

Jack Bauer

The moon IS moving away from the Earth - but at a rate of about 3.8 centimetres a year.

The only link I know between the complexities of the Earth-Moon orbital system and evolution is one Geirge Howard Darwin - Charles Darwin's son - who was the first to successfully work out the complicated mathmatical tidal interrelationship. (See http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=124)

10/1/2008 7:28:13 AM



"Did you know that the moon is moving further and further away from the earth? Did you know that this means that at one time, the moon was closer to the earth?" What an amazing leap of logic! If something is moving farther away, then at some point, it was closer!

Anyway, yes, the moon is slowly moving farther away from the earth, and in a very long time, will eventually escape our orbit. This brings us to the hypothesis that the moon may be a result of an impact with the earth, which would explain some of the similarities with the features we see on the surface of the moon (evidence of lava flows). Most of his bullshit is explained in Astronomy 101.

10/1/2008 7:32:08 AM

WWBFD

I've always wanted to do this:

"Extrapolation doesn't work like that!"

10/1/2008 7:34:10 AM

Waiting for God

Without reading any comments before posting this:

What an unbelieveable retard.

What has any of these points got to do with evolution?

They are all wrong, every point he makes is total crap.

Citation needed.

10/1/2008 7:40:41 AM

Mr Smith

My god! It's full of fail!

10/1/2008 8:59:03 AM

Hadron

Andrew's been swallowing too much Kent Hovind bullshit.

10/1/2008 9:17:38 AM

The Jamo

You better watch it with that attitude, Kent, or they will revoke your prison internet allowance.

I challenge you to explain away these facts to me.

Why would I bother explaining away your strawman arguments just for YOUR sake? Who the hell are you to demand anything? If nothing else, it is YOU who should go to your local library and study a little before ranting and looking like an imbecile.

I challenge you to fit these things into your theory of evolution.

None of the things you have described have anything to do with evolution. They are asinine cosmological assertions courtesy of Kent Hovind and other idiots like him.

I challenge all who believe in evolution to tell me how these things are in agreement with evolution.

Again, nobody cares about you or what you believe. Take your head out of your arse.

Because if just one of these things cannot be explained, if one of these things cannot agree with evolution, then you cannot accept the theory of evolution as truth, and cannot accept evolution at all.

Again, your "arguments" have nothing to do with evolution. The theory of evolution explains a biological mechanism powered by external environmental pressures. The angular momentum of planets and the distances between celestial bodies don't enter the equation.

10/1/2008 9:19:08 AM

Dan Onymous

You're right, I can't fit any of those things into my understanding of evolution. Partly because some of them are just bollocks. The remainder I can however fit in to my understanding of astronomy, cosmology, physics etc.

10/1/2008 9:55:41 AM

anevilmeme

Andrew, it's odd that you would post this at Talk Origins where all your Kent inspired talking points are systematically debunked and answered.

10/1/2008 10:22:35 AM

Quantum Mechanic

That's so stupid it's not even wrong.

10/1/2008 10:35:53 AM

LabRat

Line breaks are your friends.

10/1/2008 10:57:22 AM

Alcari

Did you know it was 1 degree warmer yesterday? This means it used to be warmer on earth. If the earth is over 6 days old (that is what what non-last-thursdayists believe), this means that only 1 year ago, it was 430 degrees outside, far to hot for anything to survive!

If you cannot explain this, this means you are wrong and last-thurdayism is right!

10/1/2008 10:57:47 AM
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