You can't spiritualize away every part of the Bible you don't like. The Bible is very clear; if you are unsaved, you will be thrown into a lake of fire, where you will burn in torment for eternity. To reject this is to reject the word of God, and if you reject the word of God you will be thrown into said fire as well.
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The Bible is almost as clear as mud. For every passage you interpret one way, I can interpret it another way and find a hundred more to support me.
But that isn't the real issue. The real issue is that you have no rational basis for believing any of it. None. You are willfully ignorant and delusional. Use that "God-given" brain of yours and join us in the 21st century.
Yes, the Bible, owned by the Church, says if you are unsaved, you go to bad, burny place. Funnily enough, they have just the right mojo to make you saved, provided you keep paying them like a good boy. Cutting you to sell you a band-aid, anyone?
You can't spiritualize away every part of the Bible you don't like. The Bible is very clear; if you EAT SHRIMP, you will be thrown into a lake of fire, where you will burn in torment for eternity. To reject this is to reject the word of God, and if you COOK ON SUNDAY you will be thrown into said fire as well.
Your bible is the end result of misinterpreted, mistranslated, badly editted babylonian and sumerian legenda and fairy tales as told by bronze age goat sodomisers. Later to be totally bastardised by Emporer Constantine in a vain attempt to stop the Roman Empire from collapsing. Revelation was added 400 years after that to compound the fear-factor.
You can't spiritualize away every part of the Bible you don't like. The Bible is very clear; if you have a penis and have long hair, you will be thrown into a lake of fire, where you will burn in torment for eternity. To reject this is to reject the word of God, and if you reject the word of God you will be thrown into said fire as well.
It also tells us that we must never boil a kid goat in the milk of its mother; men cannot shave the hair on the sides of their head; that wearing clothing made of two different materials is a sin; that anyone working on a Sunday must die; that there's nothing wrong with polygamy; that people who divorce and remarry are committing adultery and therefore must be killed; that it's fine to throw your daughters, wives, and servants to rapists; that it's absolutely fine to kill of God tells you to, even if it's your son; that we should sacrifice animals to God weekly; that it's quite ethical to own slaves...
Really, need I continue??
Why just a lake? Considering the number of people you are planning to throw in, wouldn't an ocean of fire be more...accommodating? You know, more spacious, more spectacular. Could the imagination of the author of this LOF nonsense be just tiny bit constrained because he had no idea of geography or world populations beyond his little cave?
The bible can indeed be quite clear in parts. The trouble is, for every part of the bible that very clearly says something, there's often another part that equally clearly says the opposite.
Face it, your book sucks.
i have always wondered....if your dead, you don't have a physical body anymore, right? so how exactly do you burn and feel pain? you don't have any nerves or a brain to interpret the signals sent by said nerves. and how about this fire? is it some sort of ghost fire only ghosts can feel? what is the nature and properties of this fire? what's the actual temperature?......anyone?....thought so.
Strange that the oldest Christian churches (Orthodoxy and Catholic) have never held this doctrine. They go back in unbroken line to the Apostle...
So who introduced this new through, and on whose authority. We can be sure from the Patrictic writings, the earliest of which link back to Apostolic times, that the early church never held this doctrine.
You is a heretic, Silent Koala. You believes a man made doctrine!!! It's the lake of fire for you!
"You can't spiritualize away every part of the Bible you don't like."
Except for the parts that contradict each other, oh, and the ones that say you should be nice to people regardless of what they've done to you, or what they believe. Just tear those right out of that Good Book!
And let's just ignore that we're not supposed to eat shellfish or cheeseburgers, do anything remotely resembling work on a Saturday, or shave off our beards! After all, that part of the Bible was canceled out by the Gospels!
Irony hurts, doesn't it, HypocriteKoala?
John 6:53
The L wrote:
"And let's just ignore that we're not supposed to eat shellfish or cheeseburgers" The whole "never mix dairy and meat products" thing comes not from the Bible, but from the Talmud.
You know that verse (well, those 3 verses, really) that says "Don't boil a young goat in its mother's milk"? Well, the authors of the Talmud took that verse and ran with it. They interpreted it as a proscription against letting ANY meat (goat or otherwise) touch ANY dairy products.
So, unless you're an Orthodox Jew, you don't have to give a hairy-Horrace about mixing meat and dairy products. Unless it's milk-boiled goat.
The bible says nothing about "hell" until Revelation. All of the so-called references in the OT are referring to the grave, or oblivion as the Jews held it, and that stuff Jesus said about worms was an example of how nasty hell would be. The torture porn stuff is what Christians imagined, because they're fucked up sadists whom society will be better off without.
The Bible is very clear; if you are unsaved, you will be thrown into a lake of fire, where you will burn in torment for eternity.
I agree, this is written in the bible (according to certain interpretations of these texts)
To reject this is to reject the word of God, and if you reject the word of God you will be thrown into said fire as well.
Here I disagree: To reject the bible is to reject a weird, incoherent collection of ancient fairy-tales from the bronze-age, and I will NOT be thrown into any fictional "lake of fire".
So, what makes your version of word of a god more true than any other version? Where's the evidence that your god is real and that the others are not?
Actually, even that book of yours states that there ARE other gods. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", remember? If there are no other gods, that statement is completely redundant.
Chapter and verse where the Bible very clearly states that if you are unsaved, you will be thrown into a lake of fire, please.
@Swede :
As I see it, there are really some bible verses which indicate that the "unsaved" will be "thrown into the lake of fire":
Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name [beside's Jesus'] under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." "But the [...] unbelieving [...] shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone"
So the argument goes like this:
Ergo: The unsaved will be thrown into the lake of fire.
Of course, these bible verses have nothing to do with reality, but are rather to be understood as fiction from the 1st/2nd century.
Confused?
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