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Why do Atheists want church and State separate?
Answer : They want our children to age without morals.
[9/27/2008 2:26:25 AM]
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Submitted By: J Arcenas
No, we want them to age without being brainwashed.
9/27/2008 2:29:05 AM
I'd like children to age without your Christian propaganda been force fed into their brains like a corrosive venom on a daily basis.
9/27/2008 2:33:02 AM
... and gay :P
9/27/2008 2:35:27 AM
If getting rid of morals means giving them commonsense, then I'm all for it.
9/27/2008 2:37:24 AM
Answer: For the same reason Christians want the separation between church and state. Christians and Atheists do not want the government dictating religion. Which sect would the government side with? Can you be sure it would be yours?
9/27/2008 2:39:25 AM
nonsense, children are best served fresh. with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
9/27/2008 2:46:54 AM
BUZZ! Wrong, dumbass! We want them to grow up without being brainwashed.
9/27/2008 2:52:40 AM
Growing up WITH morals is the goal in separating church and state.
9/27/2008 2:58:23 AM
The most moral people I know are not affiliated with any church. Repeat:
US prison population: 2-million
Go figure, huh, Sarah?
9/27/2008 2:59:13 AM
I'll thank you not to speak for me, especially when you have no idea what you're talking about.
9/27/2008 3:20:14 AM
Because it's in the Constitution?
9/27/2008 3:56:39 AM
Actually, when I have children I would like them to age with proper morals where you truly learn the difference between what's right and wrong, instead of fundie morals where the only thing stopping you from going on a murdering spree is fear of punishment from your imaginary friend.
9/27/2008 4:25:05 AM
Not even a coherent comment on religion, just boring old prejudice.
9/27/2008 4:52:08 AM
perhaps you could just teach them morality AT HOME, and stop trying to fucking dictate your warped bullshit version of morality on the rest of us.
9/27/2008 4:59:42 AM
If your church can't teach kids its moral without getting the government involved, then it must be a really shitty church.
9/27/2008 5:01:20 AM
Correct answer: We want our children to have a level playing field academically.
9/27/2008 5:12:22 AM
What do you mean with "morals"?
9/27/2008 9:34:15 AM
9/27/2008 10:45:40 AM
And talking of christian "morals"
During 10 years in Sing-Sing, those executed for murder were 65% Catholics, 26% Protestants, 6% Hebrew, 2% Pagan, and less than 1/3 of 1% non-religious.
Canadian prisons: 1,294 Catholics, 435 Anglicans, 241 Methodists, 135 Baptists, 1 Unitarian and 0 non-religious.
Dr. Christian, Superintendant of the NY State Reformatories, checked 22,000 prison inmates and found only 4 college graduates.
In "Who's Who" 91% were college graduates, and he commented that "intelligence and knowledge produce right living" and that "crime is the offspring of superstition and ignorance."
Surveyed Massachusetts reformatories found every inmate religious, carefully herded by chaplins.
In Joliet, there were 2,888 Catholics, 1,020 Baptists, 617 Methodists and 0 non-religious.
Michigan had 82,000 Baptists and 83,000 Jews in their state population.
But in the prisons, there were 22 times as many Baptists as Jews, and 18 times as many Methodists as Jews. In Sing-Sing, there were 1,553 total inmates with
855 of them Catholics (over half), 518 Protestants, 177 Jews and 8 non-religious.
Steiner first surveyed 27 states, and found 19,400 Christians, 5,000 with no preference, and only 3 Agnostics (one each in Connecticut, New Hampshire,
and Illinois). A later, more complete survey found 60,605 Christians, 5,000 Jews, 131 Pagans, 4,000 no preference, and only 3 Agnostics. NO ATHEISTS.
In one 29-state survey, Steiner found 15 unbelievers, Spirtualists, Theosophists, Deists, Pantheists and 1 Agnostic among nearly 83,000 inmates.
Calling all 15 "anti-christians" made it one half person to each state. Elmira reformatory overshadowed all, with nearly 31,000 inmates, including
15,694 Catholics (half), and 10,968 Protestants, 4,000 Jews, 325 refusing to answer, and 0 unbelievers.
In the East, over 64% of inmates are Catholics. In the national prison population they average 50%. A national census found Catholics 15%.
They count from the diaper up. Hardly 12% are old enough to commit a crime.
Half of these are women. That leaves an adult Catholic population of 6% supplying 50% of the prison population.
Now for a trip across the pond.....
Liverpool, England produces three percent as many young criminals as Birmingham, a larger city, 28% coming from Catholic schools.
What does this tell you about parochial school systems or claims that religion is the guardian of morals?
52% of people belong to no church, yet live clean lives and supply less than 1% of the total criminal population.
So much for religious indoctrination.
9/27/2008 11:01:01 AM
Sarah puts her children in stasis, then into oak barrels to mature, all the while dropping pages from the bible in there.
9/27/2008 12:25:29 PM
Blaidd Drwg (Bad Wolf)
If you want to live in a country in which the church and the state are NOT seperate, I'd suggest Iran...
9/27/2008 1:37:34 PM
One does not need religion to be moral
One does not need to be moral to have religion. In fact my experience shows one generally needs religion and the fear of hell and even then isn't very moral. And while at it maybe they know what happens when politics and religion meet more than those who advocate it.
9/27/2008 1:41:09 PM
no. I want the kids to be able to read, write, understand math, think on their own, etc. I do not want them to sit in a classroom for 10 hours a day with the bible being the only text book. Then when they graduated they would go to bible college and their natural curiosity would be crushed. You will not get your state supported religion. Deal with it and send your kids to Christian school or home school.
9/27/2008 1:51:54 PM
Bored One-time Poster
Would you agree with the morals of Hinduism being placed behind the state?
If not, that's exactly why people (not just atheists) want separation of church and state. Without it, any religion could be slotted in, not necessarily yours.
9/27/2008 3:23:24 PM
Why do Fundies want church and State combined?
Answer : They believe us godless, latte sipping, Volvo driving liberals (i.e., that's everyone except
Christians) need Protestant fundamentalist guidance in raising our children.
9/27/2008 3:27:09 PM