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Can we trust Science?

Scientists do not work in a vacuum, and are probably not much different than celebrity news anchors, who constantly slant the news without being aware they are doing it. Of course there are real pressures on research Scientists, where does the University gets most of its money? Beside that there is a subtle pressure on people who issue the news to avoid shouting fire in a movie theatre. Of course it benefits the major Pharmaceutical companies if the connection between vaccines and autism isn't proved for a few more years.

Look at the financial markets, who was telling you things were collapsing, certainly none of the expert academics, including the Fed Reserve Chief, Ben Bernanke. The truth is a difficult mistress to serve. Science and truth parted ways many years ago.

So do you believe me or your lieing eyes? I listened to one of the heads of a major pharmaceutical company tout a cure for Diabetes, which he predicts will affect 1/3 of all Americans in another generation. Why? (Round up the usual suspects, diet, exercise, and now plastic bottles). Can we trust science, hardly. Can we trust corporate America? When we tried to stop cigarettes they went overseas, and China has more to worry about that milk. The corporations always deny they are selling the things, in this case vaccines with mercury, but exactly where are all those old stocks, have they been recalled?

aveutter, Salon (Inside the vaccine-and-autism scare) 36 Comments [9/29/2008 2:37:04 PM]
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CTSDT material. This time, it's the pharmaceutical corporations. BTW, polio.

9/29/2008 2:41:51 PM


"including the Fed Reserve Chief, Ben Bernanke. "

What do you think would have happened if he had said something to lines of your all fucked, really really fucked at the start of the crisis? Oh look a mass panic, given that the foundation of the banking system both retail and other is confidence that doesnt sound like a bright idea.

9/29/2008 2:45:01 PM


Not a single mention of religion in here. Who approves this stuff?

9/29/2008 2:45:16 PM

Science and truth parted ways many years ago.

This isn't fundie per-se, just paranoia.

9/29/2008 2:51:04 PM


Lantus works very well for me. [Type 1 diabetic, dontcha know]
the alternative is death.

9/29/2008 2:53:49 PM

The L

#744366: There is, in the sense that fundies are almost unanimously against real science.

9/29/2008 3:15:38 PM

So do you believe me or your lieing eyes?

Hmm, a choice between random-person-on-internet and what we actually observe. I don't think I could have put this more bluntly myself.

9/29/2008 3:16:09 PM

Waiting for God

Can we trust science?

Interesting question aveutter, you are trusting science right now in using the Internet. Where do you think the Internet came from? It isn't mentioned in the bible. A Christian didn't wake up one morning and claim to have had a vision from God, in which God detailed to them the finer workings of the TCP/IP protocol.

Fact is that you and other equally stupid people like you, use the products of science everyday. The telephone, the internal combustion engine, vitamins, processed foods, plastics, television, Internet, the micro-processor etc etc. Yet your entire beef with science is that it contradicts passages in your 1900 year old book of twaddle.

Insects do not have 4 legs, PI is not 3.2, dragons don't exist, neither do unicorns. Science is a great tool that everyone can use, I suggest you make an attempt to learn something.

If Jesus saves, then science teaches.


9/29/2008 3:23:30 PM


Yeah, because ignorant and bigoted religious fanatics and their money-grubbing televangelist demagogues are rational, objective observers.

9/29/2008 3:25:59 PM

God Is Real Unless Declared Integer

A Christian didn't wake up one morning and claim to have had a vision from God, in which God detailed to them the finer workings of the TCP/IP protocol.

*roflmao*! I am so visualizing this!

9/29/2008 3:28:00 PM


Mortok, the site doesn't specify religion in the title. A fundie is someone who adheres to his beliefs no matter how stupid they are. Dismissing science as a conspiracy is as fundie as they come.

9/29/2008 3:36:16 PM


Frank, thank you for clarifying. Now I don't feel bad about telling aveutter that they are fucked in the head.

9/29/2008 3:48:35 PM

David B.

"Scientists do not work in a vacuum"

Some do...

Geologist Harrison Schmitt during the Apollo-17 mission.

9/29/2008 4:22:23 PM

(connection between vaccines and autism)
I don't recall autism being communicable.

9/29/2008 4:40:06 PM


"Scientists do not work in a vacuum"

NASA disagrees.

Anyway, all the things you hate, which I agree with, are the result of greedy corporations, stupid people, and a lack of individual responsibility for anything.

All of us are more stupid and evil than any of us.

9/29/2008 4:42:04 PM


@#744512:(connection between vaccines and autism)
I don't recall autism being communicable.

Some small percentage of infants are diagnosed with autism after birth, and until recently nearly 100% of infants got vaccinated, so the parents started trying to blame it on the vaccines. So far, no study that I'm aware of has shown a positive correlation, but sites like this work on anecdotes and fear. And of course they would never post testimony from a parent who decided not to vaccinate his child and the child was diagnosed with autism anyway because that would be inconvenient.

9/29/2008 5:39:56 PM


To be fair, there is a precedent for pharmaceutical companies sponsoring drug tests and then suppressing the results when they didn't say what they wanted. That has happened, and I don't doubt will again, even though it shouldn't.

On the other hand, if there is a link between the vaccines and autism, how would you know that? Maybe by, like, science?

What the economic crisis did for science is to highlight the inadequacy of their statistical prediction models. Do you know what they did when that inadequacy was highlighted? Yes, they set about addressing the error; they didn't just pretend it hadn't happened. This is, in fact, how science works, something you clearly know nothing about.


9/29/2008 5:43:57 PM


Curse you, David B.! You've beaten me to the punch once again!

9/29/2008 6:13:34 PM


"Can we trust Science?"

Yes. Next.

9/29/2008 6:39:21 PM


what none of these fundies seem to understand is that science isn't some huge place where a bunch of people get together and make arbitrary decisions. the ONLY thing that makes something "scientific" is if it follows the SCIENTIFIC METHOD. most scientists don't have agendas (they would be bad scientists if they did) and they certainly don't all agree with each other. none of these idiots ever criticizes the scientific method directly...is it because they just don't get it or because they know deep down inside that that would be absurd?

9/29/2008 7:31:39 PM


The corporations always deny they are selling the things, in this case vaccines with mercury, but exactly where are all those old stocks, have they been recalled?

Regular childhood vaccines haven't contained more than a microgram of thimerosal since 2001. The old stock expired in 2003. All new vaccines invented since 1999 have been thimerosal-free. If thimersal was the cause, why haven't we seen a drop in autism among children under 7?

9/29/2008 7:43:44 PM

Old Viking

The big pharmas were inoculated against scruples, do doubt about it. But it's not scientists who decide whether a product should be marketed. It's management. Good Christians, most of 'em.

9/29/2008 7:45:24 PM


Yes, thimerosal contains mercury.

However, it contains mercury in a chemically-combined form, which animal experiments have shown is non-toxic. (It's metallic mercury, mercury in its elemental form, that's toxic.)

9/29/2008 7:55:36 PM

If you're so sure, why are you using a computer, instead of living in caves?

9/29/2008 8:22:26 PM


This is why we use double blind experiments... look it up

9/29/2008 10:53:31 PM

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