Re: pre-Christian Britain
Many druids taught Old Testament principles. See Celt, Druid and Culdee by Isobel Hill Elder.
Apostolic Christianity was well established in Britain by the end of the 1st century AD, as Winston Churchill shows in Volume 1 of his History of the English-Speaking Peoples.
i.e. the Britons of those times largely rejected whatever remained of the old heathen religion (see Babylon Religion by David W. Daniels) in favour of what the Lord Jesus Christ called the words of spirit and life, John 6:63. They made the right decision.
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Druids were probably polytheistic animists, a belief system not especially recommended by the Old Testament.
Isobel Hill Elder was writing in the 1930s. Can't you find more modern bullshit?
And David W. Daniels was a Mormon until he was saved by Jack Chick. Words fail me.
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.
A well-thumbed set of Churchill's "History of the English Speaking Peoples" (hardly a rigorous, critical history anyway) is on my shelf. It doesn't say jack shit about Christianity anywhere in the British Isles until the late fourth/early fifth century.
..and the betrayal of the old religious leaders by the new ones had no play in this as well? What about the mass killings and forced conversions?
Is it just me, or is it a coincidence that the black death came in just when Christianity started to set its roots in deep. Did we loose somethig when the fundies of yore went on wild "book burning" parties to cleanse the people of heathen religions?
"Many druids taught Old Testament principles. See Celt, Druid and Culdee by Isobel Hill Elder."
Name the principles. Not that it means anything, I just think you're full of shit.
"Apostolic Christianity was well established in Britain by the end of the 1st century AD, as Winston Churchill shows in Volume 1 of his History of the English-Speaking Peoples."
Possibly. I'm terrible at history so I guess it could have happened. Still, I think 1 CE is a bit early for Christianity to have spread to Britain, let alone be "well established".
"i.e. the Britons of those times largely rejected whatever remained of the old heathen religion"
Somehow I'm suspicious of this claim.
Yes. They all became Roman Catholics!
A point to bear in mind. For all that Churchill is respected, the British in this period were not English, or English-speaking. They spoke British, the ancestor of modern Welsh. They were Celts, speaking a Celtic language.
Moreover, the Druids, although they took a drubbing from the Romans, were far from wiped out. They survived in a more discreet form, and even in Gaul (modern France) where Caesar had been utterly ruthless and genocidal.
In Ireland too, which was never part of the Empire, Druids continued to flourish.
There was much in common in attitudes, rather than beliefs, so that Christianity was fairly acceptable to Celts in general.
"Christianity was well established in Britain by the end of the 5th century AD." Fixed.
"Many druids taught Old Testament principles."
That's because the Old Testament happened to include a lot of the same principals taught by most pagan religions at the time. The main differences were "no gay sex" and "don't honor other peoples' gods."
Wow, is the British Nazi Nationalist Party promoting a dirty immigrant culture over good, wholesome, British human sacrifice?!
RR are right, it's a sign of the end-times!
Many druids taught Old Testament principles. See Celt, Druid and Culdee by Isobel Hill Elder. Source please. There is very, VERY little factual information available on the ancient Druids, since they wrote next to nthing down. What does exist is mostly from a Roman perspective.
Apostolic Christianity was well established in Britain by the end of the 1st century AD, as Winston Churchill shows in Volume 1 of his History of the English-Speaking Peoples. Err, no. No way did it happen that quickly.
i.e. the Britons of those times largely rejected whatever remained of the old heathen religion (see Babylon Religion by David W. Daniels) in favour of what the Lord Jesus Christ called the words of spirit and life, John 6:63. They made the right decision. Yeah they did - they decided to stay alive. I think you'd reject most things for the sake of your life.
Warning: right now I feel like being a nitpicky pedant, and I'm not in the mood to let a dishonest shithead slide in his ignorance and lies. Please forgive me, but my normal name-calling simply will not suffice.
I'm no history professor, but I've never heard even the craziest or most dishonest believers claim any crazy bullshit like that! It must be willful ignorance, because a quick glance at any history books or the fucking bible itself shows it to be impossible. Christianity had barely spread at all by the end of the first century AD!
The writers of the bible were still establishing the first few churches around the Mediterranean and writing the early versions of the new testament at that time. The Romans had not adopted christianity yet: they had just made the recently dead Ceasar Augustus a Roman deity, for fuck's sake, and were barely even aware of the new Jewish cult in their empire!
Now the first claim, that druids taught old-testament principles, is still bullshit as far as anyone can prove, but it only stands to reason that they would have something close, for a very simple reason...the actual "principles" of the old testament, like say the Big Ten Rules and all that, were quite common in early civilizations. Almost everybody had them, either through early contact between cultures, or simple coincidental self-interest. People like living around other people who don't steal and murder...who could've guessed.
The histories of cultures and yes, even religions, can be a very interesting study. I hate it when idiots spout obvious lies about history in an attempt to polish and prop up their bullshit myths.
Fuck off you racist cunt! I would say read a history book, but I doubt someone like you can read (note: this won't make sense to American's, but just try living a country with a bunch of neo-nazi's like the BNP)
"Many druids taught Old Testament principles."
Puhlease!
The ideas within the old testament are pulled from older cultures fables.
This is as valid as "oh, the Bible says washing your hands is a good idea" over a thousand years after many cultures having bathhouses and running water in waste out systems.
In fact it's been well over two thousand years of Jews and Christians dissing Babylon completely on jealousy issues.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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