If Athiests Believe that science created Everything?
Than can any of you tell me where You can find morality in science? Physics? Mathematics even?
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Where can you find nowadays morals being promoted from the beginning to the end in the bible?
Thou shalt not kill?
Violated in numerous passages in the bible. Even god himself kills people, often just for small things like not agreeing with him on crtain matters.
Slavery is bad?
Not according to the bible
Men and women are equal?
Nope, according to the bible the woman is inferior and has to obey the man (even is the property of men for all of her life, first of her father, then of her husband)
I assume I could go on with the list ;)
Science isn't a big bearded guy in the sky. It doesn't create; it explains, and teaches how to control.
Morality comes from reciprocal relations between human beings, the practical underpinnings of society and the agreed-upon rights that allow civilization to function.
How can you find morality in a loose compendium of bizarrely improbable ancient tales of uncertain authorship?
Even without the bad spelling and grammar the stupid here knows no bounds:
"Than can any of you tell me where You can find morality in science? Physics? Mathematics even?"
Science and math are how we study and survive in the universe they are not moral or ethical codes, what sort of synaptic misfire led you to believe they were?
Science didn't create smack, it provides evidence for, explanations, observable rules, etc of events in the natural world. Things are what they are.
Religion or beliefs have no role in science. Believe what you will, it will not change reality unless you have some psych disorder.
As for morality, people create morality and it should be applied for need to respect other people and not for fear of the unreal.
Science is inherantly amoral. It has no business speaking on matters of morals or ethics. Wittgenstein said as much, postulating that a book, with every true and real fact in the world, would have not a single iota of ethics.
Apparently Carl Sagan found morality in mathematics: "'I can remember one occasion, taking a shower with my wife while high, in which I had an idea on the origins and invalidities of racism in terms of gaussian distribution curves,' wrote the former Cornell University professor. 'I wrote the curves in soap on the shower wall, and went to write the idea down.'"
If Athiests Believe that science created Everything?
No, science EXPLAINS how things happen. It isn't the process itself.
Than can any of you tell me where You can find morality in science? Physics? Mathematics even?
Where in Genesis does it lay out morality? Science explains. It makes no recommendations of it's own.
If Athiests Believe that science created Everything?
They don't, therefore any other questions based off the premise are invalid.
Than can any of you tell me where You can find morality in science? Physics? Mathematics even?
No one is claiming that the can. You're making a strawman arguement.
"If Athiests Believe that science created Everything?"
I can honestly say that I know of nobody who believes this.
"Than can any of you tell me where You can find morality in science? Physics? Mathematics even?"
Try philosophy or psychology instead. Maybe even sociology or anthropology.
How could science create everything? It only began truly after Newton.
Edit: Just to be fair, the idea of morality being a genetic offshoot was merely proposed and doesn't have any actual evidence though it is most likely.
Old Viking wrote:
"I don't know about all that, but I found a thrill on blueberry hill."
But was it YOUR thrill?
We are born with a moral code. It is crucial to our survival as both a species and a society. Scientists have even observed moral behavior in non-human primates and other animals. Read "Moral Minds: How Nature Designed Our Universal Sense of Right and Wrong" by Dr. Marc Hauser. It'll learn ya something. Morality doesn't come from religion...if anything, when religion began, it was the opposite. Intrinsically, many beings know that it is wrong to hurt or kill other beings, and that eventually led to the organization of a belief structure with these so-called morals that gave rise to religion. Oh, and look up the definition of morality. Premarital sex and homosexuality are not immoral.
"If Athiests Believe that science created Everything?"
Why do these people think that it's an absolute 100% requirement for people to religious, or treat something else as if it was a religious belief? An Atheist would never personify science into a religious deity...
"personify science into a religious deity." I can't believe I just wrote that. That's just damned retarded.
Than can any of you tell me where You can find morality in science?
A sociology or psychology 101 class, depending on if you mean social mores or personal guilt and a sense of right and wrong.
Next.
science didn't create everything, science just explains how things work.
and you can't find morality in math and physics, but you can find an explanation of where morality comes from in biology and psychology.
If you want an actual discussion about what exactly is or isn't moral, well that's not the point of science, go study philosophy for that.
psychology, dipshit
or sociology
Actually, using the ToE, communities which didn't evolve basic moralities would have been wiped out, those who did develop morals (such as don't kill your immediate family under standard circumstances) would survive and flourish. So simply put, if science didn't result in morals (and not actually science, but the processes that science views), then you would probably have died/not been born.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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