just the simple statement that atheists believe there is no God proves they do believe there IS a God, and that He does exist. let me explain. in order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed.
This is the stupidest thing I've heard today. What in hell would drive you to this utterly absurd conclusion?
i bet you ANYTHING that when you're on your death bed, you're not going to be so gung-ho about judging God, or the idea of God, i should say. you won't even be THINKING about ways you can disprove God's existence, because you will be crying out to Him to save your soul.
You know, dying isn't an uncommon occurence - there is plenty of evidence to show that this is nonsense for the vast majority of non-Christians.
10/9/2008 1:18:32 PM
so, invisible purple dragons that fart breath mints are REAL??
10/9/2008 1:27:19 PM
Wow. graphicartist2K5 just proved that you can't fix stupid.
10/9/2008 1:40:33 PM
If you don't believe that there are invisible purple dragons that fart breath mints that means that there has to BE invisible purple dragons that fart breath mints for you to not believe in!
10/9/2008 1:40:39 PM
10/9/2008 1:45:50 PM
You're in a foxhole. The enemy have your range, and each shell is landing closer. You realise that God is not, after all, going to rescue you.
That's when you become an atheist.
10/9/2008 1:48:27 PM
There is a subtly valid point here insofar as anything you deny exists must at least be conceptually *possible*, but I've never known an atheist who denied the possibility of gods, only the reality. Or maybe I'm giving too much credit to this nutter.
10/9/2008 1:50:27 PM
this is why atheists are so freaking mad all the time, whether or not they want to say it, because deep down in their deceived hearts, they KNOW God is there.
Actually, I think its the other way around. And I can prove it.
Mark 16:18. Drink a bottle of bleach. If you are still alive afterwards, then I'll accept that your believe in god is real. But if you don't have the guts to do it in the first place, then your belief isn't worth much is it?
You know deep down that god isn't there and your lack of courage in your convictions is proof.
10/9/2008 2:11:32 PM
This is as bad as it gets
10/9/2008 2:16:06 PM
"There is a subtly valid point here insofar as anything you deny exists must at least be conceptually *possible*"
That doesn't make any sense to me. Could you please explain?
10/9/2008 2:16:41 PM
Specifically, which god is it that atheists know "deep down" to exist, graphicartist2k5?
10/9/2008 2:27:04 PM
The subtle point is that you have to have a concept of something in order to deny its existence. A.J. Ayer and Antony Flew are probably the best to read on this point. An example is this:
"The sun exists"
That is an affirmative statement, but it is also a denial. It denies the opposite situation of "the sun does not exist". In order to make this claim you have to have an operationalized definition of what the "sun" is in order to deny or affirm its existence.
The subtle point alluded to, and butchered beyond recognition, by graphicartist2k5 is this: In order to deny the existence of God you have to have a conception of God in your mind. Just like the Ontological proof graphicartist2k5 mistakes existence in the understanding for existence in fact. That is all.
10/9/2008 2:29:54 PM
"just the simple statement that atheists believe there is no God proves they do believe there IS a God, and that He does exist."
So conversely, when Christians state that they believe there's a god, they are actually saying they're atheists?
10/9/2008 2:32:33 PM
...continuing my previous post.
This is why there are four answers when someone asks if you believe in God.
3) I'm not sure.
4) I don't understand.
Answers 1-3 all imply that you have an understanding of the term God, and roughly some objective criteria by which you test for the existence of this God.
Answer 4 sidesteps this point and simply says, "what the heck are you talking about?" This response places the burden on the theist to explain their concept of God.
By the by, answer 4 is also my favorite to give whenever evangelists come to my door to talk to me. It's fun to try to get an operationalized definition of the deity out of them. Often they end up squirming away because they realize they don't even have one in their own head and thus, as A.J. Ayer put it, their affirmation of God's existence is factually vacuous.
10/9/2008 2:35:27 PM
I love Bill.
10/9/2008 2:41:09 PM
That's one of the highest words-to-bollocks ratios I've ever seen!
So presumably if you don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, logically (well, in your use of the word logically at least) that means you do believe in him?
10/9/2008 2:43:18 PM
By the way, Religulous is great. Go see it.
10/9/2008 2:44:59 PM
You fundies "judge" god all the time, you put words in his mouth and pretend you know exactly how he feels about everything, even if it's a subject that's not so much as hinted at in your bible. This is a sin, and you'd know that if you would read the damn book already.
10/9/2008 2:50:02 PM
newsflash: I am an atheist. You fail it!
pfft. I believe in the concept of a god.
I believe there is an idea that some people have that God exists, and I am MAGICALLY ABLE TO SEPARATE GOD [who does not exist] FROM THE CONCEPT OF HIM [Which does exist]
Of course there aren't atheists in foxholes. The guys we find in foxholes are always Extreme Muslims, whereas atheists are usually in tanks or APCs or VTOLs or nanosuits or... ... whatever.
10/9/2008 3:19:37 PM
What a word salad and side order of SCHROOMS!
10/9/2008 3:50:53 PM
Is cinemablend short for cinema bell end?
10/9/2008 3:58:17 PM
Kid, i don't waste my time in a foxhole. I'm that sniper in the trees.
10/9/2008 3:58:38 PM
"have you EVER heard the phrase, "there are no atheists in foxholes"? it's the truth."
Really? Because it seems to me that if you really believed in a god who loved and protected you, you wouldn't be in the foxhole in the first place.
10/9/2008 4:00:37 PM
Do you realize that trusting in your god instead of your fellow soldiers is going to get you and everybody else killed?
10/9/2008 4:05:31 PM
Isn't the entire premise of the movie "I don't know, and neither does anyone else, so how can you claim to know God? And while you're at it, explain why you put on funny robes and speak in tongues?"
Which, I think, is a very valid question and kudos to Bill Maher for asking the question.
10/9/2008 4:33:49 PM