[Replying to 'YOU CANNOT USE A THING TO PROVE ITSELF']so you can't use a human to prove that is a human, or a sun to prove it is a sun, or a tree to prove it is a tree, or an eye to prove it is an eye, or truth to prove it is truth
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An object's existence proves it exists, it does not prove that any writing in it is true. For example I have a Harry Potter book - that proves the book exists, but does not prove the existence of a school for wizardry. In the same way you having a bible proves that the bible exists, but does not prove that God exists.
so you can't use a human to prove that is a human, or a sun to prove it is a sun, or a tree to prove it is a tree, or an eye to prove it is an eye, or truth to prove it is truth
Now that's airtight logic for ya.
So the next time a government agent asks you for identification, instead of showing them a driver's license or some other government issued documentation, try just saying, "I told you who I was! Isn't that proof enough?"
Let me know how well that works.
Yeah you got us. That is an eye, that's a tree, and that just a fucking Bible, it's a bleedin' book, that's all that can be proven.
You've got it. To prove something is -X-, you must compare it to the traits that are accepted as describing -X-. To PROVE that you're human (were one to earnestly question you on that), you don't argue "I say that I am". You point out your physical & mental traits, abilities & habits that are in line with those associated with humans.
That said, you're arguing that thing -A- should be usable as proof of its own claims about thing -B- . When proving one thing's claims about another , you need third parties for confirmation. Thing -A-'s claims prove nothing on their own. Thing -B- can settle the matter if the claim is immediately demonstrable (like "this rock will sink in water". You just drop it in water). Otherwise you need corroborating sources that are each backed with evidence. The more, the better.
Prove that your 'God' actually wrote that Bible.
Unlike, say "The God Delusion" which has the author's name 'Richard Dawkins' on the cover, it's okay, we can wait...!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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