Hi all.
We have joined a new church that does not sponsor short term adult mission trips. My husband and I were able to participate in this type of activity in our previous church. We were involved in building churches for new Christians in Mexico.
Can anyone recommend an organization that we could possibly contact to see if there is a good fit for us to fill this gap for us? We are looking for something lasting from one to two weeks. Basic construction is a good fit for us, but we will look at other activities as well. We are interested in a group that is very biblical in its approach. We aren't interested in a broad ecumenical or social justice approach in place of the biblical gospel.
Any and all recommendations are welcome!!
[No wanting to help other people unless motivated by religion to, huh?]
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"We were involved in building churches for new Christians in Mexico. "
As opposed, of course, to all those old cathedrals and missions for all those OLD Christians in Mexico.
A useful suggestion in response to OP:
'you might be surprised at how much you [whose expertise is 'basic construction'] can do in the medical or dental area.'
Is this leading up to a Python sketch?
"We aren't interested in a broad ecumenical or social justice approach in place of the biblical gospel. "
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Not fundie, you say? I beg to differ. This is at the very essence of fundieism - that the worth of an individual is determined by what they believe rather than by how they conduct themself.
What's wrong with building schools and hospitals.
Indeed. Build a doctor's office, activity house, clinic, water sanitation facility, hospital, you name it. Buy equipment or vehicles for fire stations or hospitals or whatever.
But a church? Nah.
We were involved in building churches for new Christians in Mexico.
Yeah, that's a lot better than giving food to the poor.
" Basic construction is a good fit for us, but we will look at other activities as well. "
Jimmy Carter has a group called Habitat For Humanity that builds houses for poor people. Go work for Jimmy Carter.
Thank you, Mr. Spak
WHAT HE SAID
Considering the site where this comes from I am not really surprised.
After all these people believe that the rapture will happen anytime soon. So of what use would in their opinion be a hospital if within the next few years all true faithful will get an amusement ride to heaven by Jesus himself, where they all get shiny new bodies and won´t suffer any diseases anymore.
Of course, as their belief is with 99.9 % certainty false, a hospital would be more useful for the people in this region, but they´re too blinded by their faith to see this (or to question their faith)
@Eden: "So for them it is more time-efficient to convert a few more souls that (in their belief) will get raptured, than leave a hospital which after rapture will only get used to prolong the torment of unsaved souls after the rapture (and with the beginning tribulation)."
This mindset is what seriously frightens me, when hospitals somehow become less important than churches, there's a serious problem. It reminds me a lot of that bitch, Mother Teresa, who loved to refuse painkillers and medical treatment for people in third world countries who sometimes could have been saved if she just used her enormous bankroll to take them to a hospital...
...but all she was worried about was saving their souls. >:/
First, Mexico is mostly Catholic, so there are churches everywhere (I forgot, to protestnts, catholics aren't Christian). Taking Christianity to an already predominantly Christian nation seems pretty dumb to me. Second, Jesus had a social justice approach in His message. No wonder people aren't interested in Christianity when Christians use their beliefs as a means to extol hatred and violence. My recommendation: construction takes a certain amount of common sense at the least. Get some before you shoot yourself in the eye with a nail gun.
I went to Mexico 3 years ago with a Christian organization (although I'm agnostic). It's been an ongoing operation at an orphanage/school in a small village. So far the organization has built a bathroom, storage sheds, and set up an orchard. They also assist the Native population by providing them with sewing machines (for the cost of making a few shirts for the poor...they're a very proud people and won't take charity.).
And all this done without throwing a Bible at anyone.
"We aren't interested in a broad ecumenical or social justice approach in place of the biblical gospel."
So, in other words you want to act like you're helping without actually having to be bothered to do anything. Gotcha. And you think this rather shallow and transparent act is going to fool your omniscient god do you?
How about you do like Jebus said and sell all your shit. Maybe then you could go off and join a full time missionary group and pester the locals to join your little cult. At least you'd be committed to it and not doing it just for show.
Parable of the sheep and the goats, bitch. Jesus said it; you have to obey it; that settles it.
Oh, but I've forgotten: That part of the Bible needs to be read metaphorically and interpreted correctly, or maybe it was meant for the church back then, whereas the parts about homosexuality need to be read literally and are God's eternal law.
Creepy but nothing unusual. I remember when my sister died of cancer, she was the first one of us to go, and when she was dying we made regular hospital trips. And I was thinking thoughts like, she will be GONE, I will never see her again, even if there's an afterlife can things ever be brought BACK, things like that. And my fundy relatives were thinking, now that she's so weak from pain and high on morphine, she'll never resist our arguments and will have to admit we have the one true God. It absolutely still amazes me that I saw humans behaving like that.
This reminds me of the "relief efforts" by certain churches in the aftermath of Katrina.
Starving survivors were given food--but ONLY if they sat through a sermon first.
Don't these people realize that if you're going to have even the slightest chance of converting people you should help first and then preach?
We have joined a new church that does not sponsor short term adult mission trips.
- No Missionary positions, then?
My husband and I were able to participate in this type of activity in our previous church. We were involved in building churches for new Christians in Mexico.
- What happened? Were you disfellowshipped? You must have done something really baaaaad!
Can anyone recommend an organization that we could possibly contact to see if there is a good fit for us to fill this gap for us? We are looking for something lasting from one to two weeks. Basic construction is a good fit for us, but we will look at other activities as well.
- It sounds like you are looking for a holiday.
We are interested in a group that is very biblical in its approach.
- All Christians are biblical. What the hell are you waffling on about?
- She means narrow-minded and bigoted.
"We aren't interested in a broad ecumenical or social justice approach in place of the biblical gospel."
We suspected as much, but thanks for the confirmation.
We are interested in a group that is very biblical in its approach.*
*Biblical as defined by me.
Pegmo: Have you ever read the "biblical gospel"?
Basic construction is a good fit for us, ... We are interested in a group that is very biblical in its approach.
We use gopher wood and measure in cubits.
I understand, instead of a church, the Mexicans are looking into a possible pedestrian tunnel under the fence in Nogales. TiJuana has several already as evidenced by the work force at Home Depot.
Why do the fundies need more churches in Mexico?
@FundieFinder
Build a church or work for more social justice, hospitals, sanitation, clean drinking water?
The worst kind of fundie because they have the chance to actively do good, rather than just writing stupid stuff on the web, yet they go for the preaching.
Solid 5 for me.
Yeah, thats the last thing the mexicans need.. more corrupt agencies in their midst.
But frankly, whats their cut in this? I mean this may be legit, but I doubt it. These people may be complete nut cases who can get away with their bat shit crazy ways in third world countries.
kind of makes me cringe.
Now I understand why your new church doesn´t sponsor your mission. You´re not exactly what Christianity is supposed to be. By the way, if you are not faithful to your churches, how are you going to persuade others to join yours?
...where did you even find non-Christians to convert in Mexico?
Oh. You converted them from Catholicism to hard-line evangelism. Gotcha. Interesting choice. Evangelism offers a lot more personal agency, so I guess people who don't want to be immediately subordinate and yet do want to be theoretically abject and highly strictured would make that particular jump.
Lemme guess; the poor, misguided Mexicans have Mary to worship, and what they really need is Jeebus, amirite?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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