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Based on the web sites below, I doubt that many have proof. Is this another example of how all knowledge begins with faith? Is it true that scientists must have faith that the universe is inherently orderly, even though there is no law or theorem that says it must be? Otherwise why waste their time?

...As a lover of Christ, science and mathematics I am quite used to faith AND reason.

(he then lists a couple of links to math and science blogs where people ask the same thing)

ignoramus_the_great, Yahoo Answers 54 Comments [10/22/2008 2:40:17 AM]
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Your name is very fitting.

10/22/2008 2:42:31 AM


Of course I do.

Math at its heart is a representation of reality.

If I have 1 item and I add another item, I have 2 items.

This has been shown to work any type of item, and since a number of other mathematical ideas are based on addition and they all work accurately, we can conclude logically that 1 + 1 is indeed 2 for all 1 = 1 and all 2 = 2, where + represents the addition of real numbers.

As for the universe being orderly, we have yet to find a phenomenon within the known universe that cannot somehow be defined. And those things that do not currently have lower-level explanations [Like how radioactive atoms decide whether to decay or not] are at least statistically understandable and can be modelled.

So, no, there is no faith in science, there are only observations, explanations, and conclusions.


10/22/2008 2:46:54 AM

Mrs. Antichrist

This is just ridiculous.

10/22/2008 3:17:35 AM


1 and 2 are invented by us to describe quantity and by their very definitions used in the numerical system we have created 1+1=2. In fact in the Roman's numerical system 1+1 would not equal 2. It would equal II, since II was used for 2. I suppose you could create a new numerical system where 1+1=3, but then that would only be true without the context of that numerical system and either 1 would be equivalent to our 1.5, 3 would be equivalent to our 2 or the 2 numbers could be equivalent to 2 entirely different numbers.

10/22/2008 3:21:22 AM

1 + 1 = 10

10/22/2008 3:27:16 AM


When you're a good christian 1 + 1 = FISH!

10/22/2008 3:38:23 AM

colonel catastrophe

i refer you of course to:

using Peano Postulates it can actually be proven that 1+1=2

10/22/2008 3:44:48 AM

Old Viking

Scientists observe the order. Let us know when you observe Christ.

10/22/2008 3:50:33 AM

G Zimmer

2 + 2 is ... ten?


10/22/2008 4:06:46 AM


Scientists don't believe the universe is inherently orderly.

10/22/2008 4:24:59 AM



10/22/2008 4:30:03 AM


*Sigh* Take a bucket. Throw a ball in it. Now throw in another ball. How many balls are in the bucket?

Now put down that torch. It's not witchcraft...

10/22/2008 4:38:20 AM


there is a mathematical proof that 1+1=2. a relatively long and complicated proof,for such a basic concept, but proof. then there is the fact that 1 and 2 are concepts, and the concepts are defined, in part, by thta expression, so you could say it's true by definition.

10/22/2008 4:58:25 AM


The number order is a fairly arbitary system, but it's an accepted standard, and works.

It's not bleeding faith.

10/22/2008 5:13:44 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Wow. Thing is..."faith" in something that is not only a necessary assumption in order to make progress, but is also consistent with experience happens to be a far cry from the kind of "faith" needed to believe that any particular flavor of religious belief is accurate.

10/22/2008 5:54:26 AM


I think I have been Gödelized.

10/22/2008 5:58:25 AM


no. Try again when you graduate drom high school.

10/22/2008 6:47:49 AM

Lady Anne

Actually I have a great time in school (I am a librarian) proving to the children that 1+1 can equal 1, 2, or any number really. It just depends what it is you are trying to add up!

[I show them that one pile of books plus one pile of books equals one, larger, pile of books, etc.]

10/22/2008 6:58:02 AM



If counting it out on your fingers doesn't convince you, maybe you should buy Principia Mathematica. The first few hundred pages are devoted to proving that 1+1=2.

10/22/2008 7:21:54 AM


Try using base 2. You can really blow your mind away.

Faith is the enemy of reason, by the way. Using one negates use of the other.

10/22/2008 7:30:52 AM

Mr Smith

Do you have proof...that 1+1=2

Yes. It's fucking maths for fucks sake.

10/22/2008 9:02:09 AM

french student

Actually it takes pretty much one year after the "bac" (high school gradation exam) in "maths spé" (mathematics special, the prep course for the most prestigious schools) to prove that 1+1=2.

Of course, we go the roundabout way : we have to define what a number is (starting from the void set), what an addition is, what the different kind of number are, what the Q, R, N, C sets of number are, how to go from one to another, etc, etc.

It was a fun year, though a bit geeky.

10/22/2008 9:29:33 AM

Quantum Mechanic


10/22/2008 9:31:10 AM


As a mathematician i get mightily fucked off with morons who read a paragraph on Godel and think they're some sort of expert on philosophy of maths, especially when they're clearly an intellectual pygmy like this sad individual.

10/22/2008 10:01:13 AM


Your username is fitting.

10/22/2008 10:13:04 AM

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