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It is only proof of your stupidity and ignorance.
11/1/2008 8:59:20 PM
Ever bothered reading it?
11/1/2008 8:59:40 PM
why would God want to harden anyone's heart?
11/1/2008 8:59:43 PM
"God has hardened their hearts"
This part is nonsense, isn't it ?
Oh, and it's wrote in the bible, too
11/1/2008 9:00:25 PM
Tell me again why you worship this god... ?
11/1/2008 9:00:43 PM
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"God makes people disprove his existence so that he can torture them forever."
This is EXACTLY why the bible lacks credibility.
11/1/2008 9:02:51 PM
[a] God hardened my heart.
[b] God is going to torture my soul for having a hardened heart.
Now I see how it works.
11/1/2008 9:19:09 PM
Athiest, Why do you reject the Bible as proof?
Maybe because God has given them enough brain to understand that the things written within the bible are really contradictory and riddled with mistakes and clearly written by humans and not by god and that it would be an insult to god if he would have to rely on the bible as proof of him (and if all the stories attributed to him within the bible were true) :D
11/1/2008 9:21:43 PM
I read the babble. It's bullshit.
11/1/2008 9:23:02 PM
"Athiest, Why do you reject the Bible as proof?"
The same reason I don't accept the Harry Potter books as proof that Lord Voldemort really did nearly take over the world and kill/enslave every non-magical human.
"They can't understand. God has hardened their hearts and their souls shall surely be tortured."
Your loving God, who wants all of his children to believe in and follow him...fixed it so some of us will never believe in and follow him.
How does that make ANY sense to you?
11/1/2008 9:24:22 PM
Oh thanks God.
11/1/2008 9:26:32 PM
Find me a talking flaming bush and I'll convert.
11/1/2008 9:28:58 PM
a mind far far away
Yeah, THAT'S the reason. It couldn't be that there is absolutely no outside, objective evidence to support anything in the bible. Look into early church history. The church fathers found it insane to think of the bible as a book of history or science. It was a spiritual textbook, a book used ONLY for religious purposes. Which is why the OT is interpreted using a mainly allegorical approach. But show me something outside the bible, from an unbiased source, that gives some evidence to support what's in the bible, and maybe, maybe, it might be worth taking another look at, but even then, I doubt it.
11/1/2008 9:31:08 PM
So God's going to torture us forever because we don't believe in him... after making us not believe in him?
And people worship this horrible creature... why?
11/1/2008 9:36:47 PM
1) Many things in the Bible are counter to what we see with our own eyes but are the sort of things we see in made-up fairy tales: walking sticks turning into serpents, seas parting, people living to 900, demons invading herds of pigs, water turning into wine, etc.
2) Many people have claimed they are speaking for God as a means of gaining power over others: Mohamed, Joseph Smith, the Roman Emperors, Charles Taze Russell, Louis XIV, etc. There are just too many examples of charlatans making stuff up to make the Bible a credible source.
3) The Bible is loaded with contradictions that can only be explained away by inventing bizarre stuff that's not in the Bible; e.g., Judas hanged himself (Matthew), the rope broke (invented out of thin air) and he fell and burst open (Acts). Supposed biblical prophesies that came true do so only by inventing bizarre interpretations of the "prophesies" after the fact or choosing the occasional "true" prophesy after the fact out of a whole list of failed ones.
11/1/2008 9:43:58 PM
Yanno, I have never heard any atheists say this crap you fundies make up. What do you do, spend all day thinking up imaginary ridiculous conversations?
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11/1/2008 10:17:27 PM
A conscientious reading of the Bible with an unbiased mind shows it to be self-contradictory, in error and generally primitive in its mindset.
The latter point is to be expected, in fairness, as it was written by people who were unscientific; who would not have understood electricity, computers, aircraft, modern medicine, the motor car, the whole modern world, in fact.
Having recourse to the Bible is fleeing from rationality to irrationality.
11/1/2008 10:41:40 PM
God is going to torture me after making sure I'm not able to understand? Nice guy this god of yours.
11/1/2008 10:50:27 PM
Wait...tortured? Did you actually admit that your god allows that?
11/1/2008 10:51:35 PM
Yawn. Too easy. Why do you reject the Quran as proof?
11/1/2008 11:00:42 PM
Isn't that like saying God will torture people for being short, or for having blue eyes? If he did it to us, why does he get to torture us for it?
11/1/2008 11:09:40 PM
This actually makes sense biblically. God hardened the pharaoh's heart so that he wouldn't set the Jews free:
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses."
11/1/2008 11:17:40 PM
Torture my soul all you want, just don't torture ME.
11/1/2008 11:52:28 PM
Did ths guy say God makes people not believe, then sends them to hell for it???? That's a Calvinist idea (though they usually don't state it straight out), but not a Biblical one.
11/1/2008 11:58:49 PM
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